Steiner on Waldorf and Gandhi

This is the very short thread on Steiner's remarks about Mahatma Gandhi.

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From: Tarjei Straume
Subject: Steiner on Waldorf and Gandhi
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:15:00 +0100

My fellow subscribers,

Some time back. Steve Premo and I had an argument arising from the issue of subtext. "Subtext" is a word I learned in at Mountview Theatre School in London about twenty-five years ago. It means that when a character says a line, his tone of voice and body language may convey an unspoken line, a subtext, that may be contrary to the spoken words. In a forum like the internet, the subtext is not in body language or voice pitch, but in associations and the like - between the lines of the written text so to speak.

On October 16, 1923, in the evening, Rudolf Steiner held a lecture for the teachers of the Waldorf School in Stuttgart entitled "A Comprehensive Knowledge of Man as the Source of Imagination in the Teacher." (from *Erziehung und Unterricht aus Menschenerkenntnis,* GA 302a). He brings up a topic that we may very well call the subtext of history, and he says that the teacher should enable the students to discover what is happening beneath the surface of events in addition to the obvious. In order to illustrate this, he describes the trial against Mahatma Gandhi in India:

"I will give you an example of what is needed in order to adopt the right attitude in our civilization today. You have all heard of Mahatma Gandhi who, since the war, or really since 1914, has set a movement going for the liberation of India from English rule. Gandhi's activities began first in South Africa with the aim of helping the Indians who were living there under appalling conditions and for whose emancipation he did a great deal before 1914. Then he went to India itself and instituted a movement for liberation in the life there. I shall speak today only of what took place when the final verdict was passed on Mahatma Gandhi and omit the court proceedings leading up to it. I would like to speak only of the last act in the drama, as it were, between him and his judge. Gandhi had been accused of stirring up the Indian people against British rule in order to make India independent. Being a lawyer, he conducted his own defense and had not the slightest doubt that he would have to be condemned. In his speech - I cannot quote the exact words - he spoke more or less to the following effect: "My Lords, I beg of you to condemn me in accordance with the full strength of the law. I am perfectly aware that in the eyes of British law in India my crime is the gravest one imaginable. I do not plead any mitigating circumstances; I beg of you to condemn me with the full strength of the law. I affirm, moreover, that my condemnation is required not only in obedience to the principles of outer justice but to the principles of expediency of the British Government. For if I were to be aquitted I should feel it incumbent upon me to continue to propagate the movement, and millions of Indians would join it. My aquittal would lead to results that I regard as my duty."

"The contents of this speech are very characteristic of that which lives and weaves in our time. Gandhi says that he must of necessity be condemned and declares that it is his duty to continue the activity for which he is to be condemned. The judge replied, "Mahatma Gandhi, you have rendered my task of sentencing you immeasurably easier, because you have made it clear that I must of necessity condemn you. It is obvious that you have transgressed against British law, but you and all those present here will realize how hard it will be for me to sentence you. It is clear that a large portion of the Indian people looks upon you as a saint, as one who has taken up his task in obedience to the highest duties devolving upon humanity. The judgement I shall pass on you will be looked upon by the majority of the Indian people as the condemnation of a human being who has devoted himself to the highest service of humanity. Clearly, however, British law must in all severity be put into effect against you. You would regard it as your duty, if you were aquitted, to continue tomorrow what you were doing yesterday. We on our side have to regard it as our most solemn duty to make that impossible. I condemn you in the full consciousness that my sentence will in turn be condemned by millions. I condemn you while admiring your actions, but condemn you I must." Gandhi's sentence was six years of hard labor.

"You could hardly find a more striking example of what is characteristic of our times. We have two levels of actuality before us. Below is the level of truth, the level where the accused declares that if he is aquitted, it will be his solemn duty to continue what he must define as criminal in face of outer law. On the level of truth, also, we have the judge's statement that he admires the one whom, out of duty to his Government, he sentences to six years' hard labor. Above, at the level of facts, you have what the accused in this case, because he is a great soul, defined as a crime: the crime that is his duty and that he would at once continue were he to be aquitted. Whereas on the one level you have the admiration of the judge for a great human being, on the other you have the passing of judgement and its outer justification. You have truths below, facts above, which have nothing to do with one another. They touch on one another at only one point, at the point where they confront each other in statement and counter-statement."

In an earlier post, I pointed out that the Aryan race includes not only the major populations of Northern Europe, but also that of Iran and parts of India. And I guess we can all agree that Rudolf Steiner must have thought that Mahatma Gandhi had a great deal of Aryan blood in his veins, because otherwise he could not possibly have spoken so kindly about the man.

On the other hand, I believe that some of the Waldorf critics think that the sentence against Gandhi was much too lenient - even more so when he was released very soon afterwords for tactical-political reasons. Because what the Waldorf critics have against Gandhi is not that he was a rebel, nor that he was an Indian strongly suspected of being an Aryan because of Steiner's support, but because his real crime was being regarded as a guru. And doesn't it really make your stomachs revolt when you think about the possibility that Steiner praised Gandhi because he recognized in him a fellow guru! I think I'm gonna be sick!

I'll tell you a few even more sick things. Martin Luther King didn't only study Gandhi before his deed that began in Montgomery, Alabama, but especially the German idealist philosophers that Steiner kept bragging about. Oh my.

The worst thing is that the anthropops believe that the archangel-turned-archai Michael, representing Christ, has played a vital role in the activities of Tolstoi, Steiner, Gandhi, and King. (Excuse me, I have to run to the john before I make a mess on the floor.)

Choke,

Tarjei

http://www.uncletaz.com/

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From: "Steve Premo"
Subject: Re: Steiner on Waldorf and Gandhi
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 09:31:51 -0700

On 28 Feb 99, at 4:15, Tarjei Straume wrote:

In an earlier post, I pointed out that the Aryan race includes not only the major populations of Northern Europe, but also that of Iran and parts of India. And I guess we can all agree that Rudolf Steiner must have thought that Mahatma Gandhi had a great deal of Aryan blood in his veins, because otherwise he could not possibly have spoken so kindly about the man.

*blink*

And yet, you argue that Steiner was not racist.

Or were you speaking facetiously?

Steve Premo -- Santa Cruz, California
"There is a right and a wrong in the Universe and
that distinction is not difficult to make." - Superman

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From: Tarjei Straume
Subject: Re: Steiner on Waldorf and Gandhi
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 19:21:42 +0100

I wrote:

In an earlier post, I pointed out that the Aryan race includes not only the major populations of Northern Europe, but also that of Iran and parts of India. And I guess we can all agree that Rudolf Steiner must have thought that Mahatma Gandhi had a great deal of Aryan blood in his veins, because otherwise he could not possibly have spoken so kindly about the man.

Steve Premo wrote:

*blink*

And yet, you argue that Steiner was not racist.

Or were you speaking facetiously?

I was doing my best to think like a critic, as a part of my self-deprogramming exercises. If it can be so easy for an obvious absurdity to be swallowed. that tells me a lot.

Cheers,

Tarjei

http://www.uncletaz.com/

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