Asuras
From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Jan 4, 2004 4:24 pm
Subject: Asuras
Rudolf Steiner could not speak too much about
the Asuras for some reason. The Asuras are retarded Beings of
the Hierarchy of the Archai (Spirits of Personality). They are
Beings who instead of furthering man's progress to independence,
lure him into gross egoism. In the negative sense they now bear
the name originally pertaining to the entire Hierarchy.
In a lecture held 22nd March 1909 entitled
"The Deed of Christ and the Opposing Spiritual Powers Lucifer,
Ahriman, Mephistopheles, Asuras" (GA 107), Steiner speaks
a little about the Asuras, but thereafter almost nothing. In
the lectures about World-Being and Egohood ("Weltwesen und
Ichheit", 1916, GA 169), Rudolf Steiner speaks of how the
profound secrets contained in the symbols of Jachim and Boas
may be misused by secret brotherhoods:
There is very, very much contained
in the old preserved symbols. Our age is called upon to understand
these things, to penetrate into them. The contrast which will
at one point be experienced between all that which is truly spiritual
and that which will approach us when Keely's motor actually becomes
reality, from the West, will be a much stronger contrast than
exists today between Tolstoy's world view and that which now
approaches us from the East. Oh, these things cannot be further
spoken of!
In a lecture entitled "The Nature of
Sub-Sensible Forces" ("Von Wesen der Kernenenergie"
published in 1978 and later translated by Anthroposophic Press),
the prominent mathematician and astro-physicist Georg Unger said
about the above passage:
And that is connected with
the mystery of evil and the silence which Rudolf Steiner maintained
with regard to the Asuras. One senses from this utterance that
one simply cannot speak further about this matter. If someone
comes and says, "I would like to study quite quickly all
that which Rudolf Steiner says about the Asuras," then one
must say to him, "You can do that quickly, indeed, but you
will still have nothing. You will only have something when you
understand why he was silent about this point.
With this in mind, I think it's appropriate
to quote what Steiner has to say about the Asuras in "The
Deed of Christ":
Toward the end of the Atlantean
epoch, the etheric body corresponding to the head came right
into the physical head and gradually brought about self-consciousness
in the physical body. Fundamentally speaking, man is still working
at his unconscious transformation of the physical body, at the
development of the consciousness soul. And in the age now approaching,
those spiritual Beings known as the Asuras will creep into the
consciousness soul and therewith into the human "I"
or ego - for the "I" lights up in the consciousness
soul. The Asuras will generate evil with a far mightier force
than was wielded by the Satanic powers in the Atlantean epoch
or by the Luciferic Spirits in the Lemurian epoch.
In the course of the Earth-period
man will cast away all the evil brought to him by the Luciferic
Spirits together with the blessing of freedom. The evil brought
by the Ahrimanic Spirits can be shed in the course of karma.
But the evil brought by the Asuric powers cannot be expunged
in this way. Whereas the good Spirits instituted pain and suffering,
illness and death in order that despite the possibility of evil,
man's evolution may still advance, whereas the good Spirits made
possible the working of karma to the end that the Ahrimanic powers
might be resisted and the evil made good, it will not be so easy
to counter the Asuric powers as earth-existence takes its course.
For these Asuric Spirits will prompt what has been seized hold
of by them, namely the very core of man's being, the consciousness
soul together with the "I", to unite with earthly materiality.
Fragment after fragment will be torn out of the 'I', and in the
same measure in which the Asuric Spirits establish themselves
in the consciousness soul, man must leave parts of his existence
behind on the earth. What thus becomes the prey of the Asuric
powers will be irretrievably lost. Not that the whole man need
become their victim - but parts of his spirit will be torn away
by the Asuric powers. These Asuric powers are heralded today
by the prevailing tendency to live wholly in the material world
and to be obliviouls of the reality of spiritual beings and spiritual
worlds. True, the Asuric powers corrupt man today in a way that
is more theoretical than actual. Today they deceive him by various
means into thinking that his 'I' is a product of the physical
world only; they lure him to a kind of theoretic materialism.
But as time goes on - and the premonitory signs of this are the
dissolute, sensuous passions that are becoming increasingly prevalent
on earth - they will blind man's vision of the spiritual Beings
and spiritual Powers. Man will know nothing nor desire to know
anything of a spiritual world. More and more he will not only
teach that the highest moral ideals of humanity are merely sublimations
of animal impulses, that human thinking is but a transformation
of a faculty also possessed by the animal - but he will take
this view in all earnestness and order his life in accordance
with it.
Man does not as yet entirely
base his life on the principle that his true being descends from
the animal. But this view of existence will inevitably arise,
with the result that men will also live like animals, will sink
into animal impulses, animal passions. And in many things that
need not be further characterized here, many things that in the
great cities come to expression in orgies of dissolute sensuality,
we can already perceive the lurid, hellish glare of the Spirits
we call the Asuras.
"The Deed of Christ and the Opposing
Spiritual Powers Lucifer, Ahriman, Mephistopheles, Asuras",
GA 107
Steiner says some very interesting things
about Lucifer in this same lecture, but I'll save that for another
post.
Cheers,
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
[Continued
in another thread]
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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Jan 4, 2004 5:35 pm
Subject: Transparent Child/ and the Asuras
Tarjei offers a Steiner insight:
Toward the end of the Atlantean
epoch, the etheric body corresponding to the head came right
into the physical head and gradually brought about self-consciousness
in the physical body. Fundamentally speaking, man is still working
at his unconscious transformation of the physical body, at the
development of the consciousness soul.
Bradford comments;
If we talk about a Transparent Child and the mystery of the 13th
century we are looking also at a Reincarnation fact. Nothing,
nothing has so infuriated Ahrimanic forces than Steiner's ability
to name names. Here the Holy Rishis make an earthly appearance.
Not only that but the Pleiades become the fontanel of the Divine
Body. We kid not when we say the skeletal system is a clear Imagination
of the Zodiac. We kid not. That is certainly by now, new age
101 but it comes as a total surprise to most people you speak
with.
But suppose those Pleiades, if you ever looked at the early spiral
unfolding of the hair growth of some children, there is a Fontanel
and almost a galactic spiral of hair arises out of that.
Responding:
Dear friends
How would Fragments be torn from the I AM?
On one part of the issue is how the Ring, as in Lord of the Rings,
places a Ring on a finger and the I.D. the size and fit of the
ring conforms itself to the bearer. You see to make a Gold and
Cyanide based Ring that tunes itself to the higher Devachan workings
of the Soul and Spirit, was obviously a work of alchemical, smithy,
black magic. We can put aside for the moment the related concept
of Wagner's Ring cycle.
What is connected to how the head forces are
working down into the full operational field of the Consciousness
Soul and how a small reflection of this is in the Fontanel and
glactic spiral of the hair in newborns comes directly into the
Science of the Rishis out of ancient Atlantis. In the 13th century
they began work together again, as from Atlantis and in a rhythmic
relation to the Atlantis time period, offered the newly minted
higher Devachan form of the human I AM in the reconstruction
of Christian Rosenkreuz.
Cloning Science, if it ever takes hold, will
be a projection from the Earth Core forces, to fragment pieces
of the divine form, and rework them and place them physically,
regardless of soul or spirit, made to order embryo and Star forces,
onto the Earth. Imagine that while the soul is its own species,
a collection of all the Incarnations of one I AM, and the corpses
and the life.... Remember Shakespeare, Alexander the Great could
be stopping with his dust a bung hole, but connect this with
out of these Stones I can make bread and you have an anti Sermon
on the Mount. Bread of heaven can be passed around now between
us using this electronic medium, but replicated I AM's, duplicated
and running over the Earth, are fragments...Fish and Bread and
fragments...Christ Science and Ahrimanic Science.
If you leave these imprinted cloned replicas
of the I AM and star body around, because we have agreed with
the current Ahrimanic science and never debated the profound
Ethical horror of what Tarjei brought forward, we can create
a schism, and an untold division and inspiration based soley
on Intellect and matter. Do we wish to have our Star based incarnations
and the matter we borrow to be re-engineered, re-designed and
offered under arbitrary lab conditions as the new remake of your
being? These are ethical indications that we are forced to consider.
Which means we have had to take, Spirit time away from Earth
and time to re-connect to Earth as a serious series of manifestations
of the I AM, any I AM.
"I Am not yet born Perserve Me"
NOw, for those of you who have yet to see
the new film, The Ring, it is interesting to see just what Being
has inhabited the little girl out of which this movie, fiction,
and thinking arises. "The Bad Seed" is a comparable
reference, but if we look for some Asuric manifest deadly grip
on a soul, on a physical being and all the way through to the
electronic and visual seed forces in the Consciousness Soul,
we see that the little girl in the Ring reveals that it will
never stop, that there is an Evil so potent we dare not even
discuss it.
I don't suggest that anyone study this film
for an understanding of the Asuras, but the climate in which
the thoughts that we are creating in the labs and the climate
of science that tries to take hold of the good devachan forces
of the I AM, cause a steel like impending grip that is comparable
to if the Ring in Lord of the Rings had fallen back in the hands
of Sauron. The Ring would have gripped the very forces of the
I AM and projected it into Time. Suppose Frodo and Gollum had
failed?
But you see, the 13th century and "The
Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz are real science stories
of how the Devachan system of the human I AM and the higher members
of the human being were remodelled by the powerful Christ Being
and Lazarus. In the Chymical Wedding we look back up through
the Seven Stars of the Rishis and up through the fontanel back
to the core of how the human being was made.
Now tell me these connections are easy. I
think not. There is a mighty climate of Asura activity coming
right down with us into the pivotal Consciousness Soul region
of the I AM. Zarathustra was given the task to bring the soul
forces up past the Intellectual Soul and during the time of the
Transfiguration, Christ was able to meet the efforts of the Two
Jesus beings at the level of the Consciousness and Spirit Self
condition. Here the mighty Thrones stepped in to the Jesus vehicle,
and Christ centered himself, alone, with the full fusion and
compression of the Father Forces. He sweated blood and changed
the structure of the human being down through and past the bone
marrow and the skeletal system.
Great Intensive work has been underway to
head certain forces off at the pass. These are great heroic efforts
and high courage in the realm of Earth. As they say, it ain't
over till the fat person sings.
Great Work Tarjei.
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Jan 4, 2004 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Transparent Child/ and
the Asuras
At 02:35 05.01.2004, Bradford wrote:
How would Fragments be torn from the I
AM?
That's one helluva good question. Something
to do with the mysterious unforgiveable sin? I wonder why this
description of Asuric Beings keep reminding me of Stephen King
these days - perhaps because I just watched the TV miniseries
"Storm
of the Century". A fascinating piece of artistic craftmanship.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 1:57 am
Subject: Asuras: Gods of Horror?
Bradford wrote:
How would Fragments be torn from the I
AM?
I wrote:
That's one helluva good question. Something
to do with the mysterious unforgiveable sin?
The more I think about this, the more puzzled
I am. It looks terribly sinister, and Steiner had to stop himself
from talking about the Asuras because the Spiritual Powers that
Be would not give him permission to continue. The fallen Archai
Spirits who eat up chunks from your "I" in a manner
that cannot be reveresed! Here we are, taking all this heat from
Lucifer and Ahriman and their combined mischief, luring us into
all kinds of errors and blunders and tragedies. But it's all
redeemable and forgivable and repairable through the Christ Impulse
and through karma and karmic justice. It can all be fixed, and
Lucifer becomes completely redeemed if we do it right. But what
the Asuras are doing to us cannot be fixed; they eat up chunks
of our egos that we never get back. No wonder I'm reminded of
Stephen King, the Master of Horror. Imagine meeting clones of
ourselves on the streets, armies of them, created by the Asuras.
They carry chunks of our most intimate selves; they're part of
us, subected to the control of Superdemons forever. And it cannot
be fixed! And Steiner is not allowed to speak about it! Oh Gee....
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 6:48 am
Subject: Ahriman and Lucifer under the bed, and now the Asuras
hiding in the closet.
Dear Tarjei,
Who do you serve? What spirits? If you promote
fear, you serve Ahriman, yes? So we should take something Steiner
said, never consider he might be wrong, or make a mistake, and
make this uncheckable statement into a bedtime horror story?
Certainly we should not think, for that would
be too much. Better we should emote all over the place, and thoughts
be damned (they are way too much trouble).
Of course, it always helps when promoting
fear to have an authority to rely upon, so that you don't have
to be responsible yourself for your actions - I mean, after all,
Steiner said it, so it must be true, and we always can easily
understand what he said.
Some obvious cautionary thoughts to the conclusion
you support...
Does Steiner say the I-am, or the ego? Are
those always the same? What does it mean to speak of a higher
and lower ego in this context? Is it possible it is "parts"
of the lower ego that the Asuras dine upon, while the I-am (certainly
a piece of the Father God) remains outside their appetites?
Maybe Steiner couldn't speak about it because
his audience would do exactly what you are doing, which is to
make it into some horror story, and never really think it through
(they did that a lot didn't they?).
Are the Asuras outside Creation (that is not
something that the Father God intended)? How do you know?
If they are outside Creation, then logically
the Father God has limits, and perhaps should be reduced in stature,
and the Asuras raised to a higher level of worship - I mean,
they can undo creation, can they not in your theory of the case
(eat the I-am)?
I always put this question: If there are bad
guys superior in power to the Hierarchies of Light, then why
does Creation still go forward, for if they (the bad guys) had
more power, then certainly by now they would have used it to
permanently undo the Creation, yes?
If they have not done this, then something
holds them back, and I don't think we can logically say it is
their patience in waiting for the proper moment to dine out on
the I-am. Certainly they would strike when we are weakest, not
when we are strongest?
Yet, Creation continues and humanity begins
to leave behind its spiritual childhood, gaining strength and
uprightness with each passing epoch. Something then holds the
Asuras in check, for what predator waits for its prey to gain
power.
If they can be held in check, which seems
obvious, then something is a power superior to theirs (the Father
God's Love?). We are the beneficiaries of that Love, so why tell
this horror story, especially since it is clear that you don't
have any personal and real knowledge in the first place?
And speaking of stories, did this stuff come
from those apocalypse lectures to the Priests? Boy does that
one have a bad history. People use it to create unreasoning fear
about Islam, and now you are using it to create unreasoning fear
about the Asuras. Maybe the folks that took the notes for that
lecture did a very very bad job, and that lecture should be considered
quite unreliable in any case. Maybe Steiner was having a bad
hair day?
shivering regards,
joel
Have you ever met an Asura? I'd be surprised
if you had, so what gives you the authority to tell such a horror
story? It can't be Steiner said, because he was pretty clear
on the flaws in taking that course of action.
--
Joel Wendt
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 10:12 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Ahriman and Lucifer under
the bed, and now the Asuras hiding in the closet.
At 15:48 06.01.2004, Joel wrote:
Dear Tarjei,
Who do you serve? What spirits? If you
promote fear, you serve Ahriman, yes? So we should take something
Steiner said, never consider he might be wrong, or make a mistake,
and make this uncheckable statement into a bedtime horror story?
Well Joel, I guess I'm a fear-mongering servant
of the Asuras then :)
Certainly we should not think, for that
would be too much. Better we should emote all over the place,
and thoughts be damned (they are way too much trouble).
I never claimed to be much of a thinker either,
but I've always appreciated groups like this so I can vent all
my uncontrollable passions :)
Of course, it always helps when promoting
fear to have an authority to rely upon, so that you don't have
to be responsible yourself for your actions - I mean, after all,
Steiner said it, so it must be true, and we always can easily
understand what he said.
In this case, the guru I worshipped blindly
was Georg Unger.
<snip>
Does Steiner say the I-am, or the ego?
In the case at hand (in connection with the
Asuras), Steiner was talking about the "I" to be precise.
Maybe Steiner couldn't speak about it because
his audience would do exactly what you are doing, which is to
make it into some horror story, and never really think it through
(they did that a lot didn't they?).
Quite the contrary. It is apparent from Unger's
remarks about the topic that Steiner probably had much weightier
reasons when he said he could not talk about it further. I am
sorry if my humorous remarks upset you, but those remarks, or
"conclusions" if you like, would not have been possible
if Steiner had not remained silent beyond what he indeed did
say about the Asuras.
<snip>
And speaking of stories, did this stuff
come from those apocalypse lectures to the Priests?
No, Joel. I gave the exact reference, like
I always do: The lecture lecture held 1. January 1909 entitled
"The Deed of Christ and the Opposing Spiritual Powers Lucifer,
Ahriman, Mephistopheles, Asuras" (GA 107). The lectures
to the priests you mention were held fifteen and a half years
later - in September 1924.
Boy does that one have a bad history. People
use it to create unreasoning fear about Islam, and now you are
using it to create unreasoning fear about the Asuras.
The lecture about Lucifer, Ahriman, and the
Asuras says nothing about Islam. Fear is something people create
for themselves. Personally, I am not afraid of Islam, and I am
not afraid of the Asuras. My reference to Stephen King and horror
was meant humorously.
Maybe the folks that took the notes for
that lecture did a very very bad job, and that lecture should
be considered quite unreliable in any case. Maybe Steiner was
having a bad hair day?
I disagree. The cycle to the priests is top
notch, and extremely important. It was Steiner's last lecture
cycle. The lecture from 1909 about spiritual powers opposing
Christ is also very interesting. But if you want to write it
off as insignificant because it scares you, that's your prerogative.
shivering regards,
joel
Now you're the one reminding me of Stephen
King. Since he was a kid, he has loved things that go bump in
the night, and everything occult is one big shiver down the spine.
Remember the wise words of FDR: You have nothing
to fear except fear itself.
Have you ever met an Asura?
I hope not, but it's possible I've encountered
them in my dreams when you mention it.
I'd be surprised if you had, so what gives
you the authority to tell such a horror story?
Sophia, the moderator for this group, has
given me the authority to tell any stories I please here, including
horror stories. And I assume Yahoo! doesn't mind, so I have their
authority too. Plus the authority of the First Amendment.
Cheers,
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 4:15 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Ahriman and Lucifer under
the bed, and now the Asuras hiding in the closet.
On Tue, 2004-01-06 at 11:12, Tarjei Straume
wrote:
Sophia, the moderator for this group, has
given me the authority to tell any stories I please here, including
horror stories. And I assume Yahoo! doesn't mind, so I have their
authority too. Plus the authority of the First Amendment.
I see, so neither real knowledge or the truth
should be looked for in what you post to the list, since it is
all about free speech, but not knowledge or truth.
Thanks for explaining that to me. Now I'll
know better what to take from your posts.
joel
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 10:03 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Ahriman and Lucifer under
the bed, and now the Asuras hiding in the closet.
At 01:15 07.01.2004, Joel wrote:
I see, so neither real knowledge or the
truth should be looked for in what you post to the list, since
it is all about free speech, but not knowledge or truth.
Yep. If you don't want to look for real knowledge
or truth in my posts, that's your prerogative. No authority is
telling you how to treat it.
When Jesus was talking about how "the
children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness:
there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" [Mt. 8:12],
I kinda hear the pharisees asking: "...what gives you the
authority to tell such a horror story?" - And Jesus says,
well, you better believe it so it doesn't happen to you, or something
like that. Or he might have said, the Old Man Upstairs gave me
the authority. He loves them horror stories, because they remind
him of the good old days.
Cheers,
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: holderlin66
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 10:42 am
Subject: Ahriman and Lucifer in bed with the Sciences
--- In [email protected],
Joel Wendt wrote:
Some obvious cautionary thoughts to the
conclusion you support...
Does Steiner say the I-am, or the ego?
Are those always the same? What does it mean to speak of a higher
and lower ego in this context? Is it possible it is "parts"
of the lower ego that the Asuras dine upon, while the I-am (certainly
a piece of the Father God) remains outside their appetites?
Very nice work Joel;
My fingerprints and the J Edgar Hoover claim
to fame as he got his junior G men.. I guess it meant Government
Men, with little spy kits on the march to locate an develop systems
where the I Am, rather the lower Ego of the I AM, could be tracked
were hardly differnt than the brown shirts. It is important to
hold in our consciousness that Hoover and Hitler came in on the
same wave and stream of incarnations as Heaven kicked Ahrimanic
beings onto the plane of the Earth. Hitler was far more flawed
than Hoover, Hoover was far more cunning and came in under the
wires and entered America with amazing spiritual stealth. At
least four presidents were hijacked by Hooverism holding their
private lives as hostages.
But let us examine what lower ego replication
is around for linking itself to the identity of one aspect of
the Immortal I AM. The immortal I am, we know, incarnates as
male and female and enters from the Heavens and in this case,
the starry regions, are indicators as to the framework of zodiacal
codes and capacities that the Spirit needs. The Spiritual Being,
the higher ego, drops into the hereditary stream which is running
more horizontally and the spiritual stream runs more vertically.
Here the vertical concept reveals that as
the sheaths of the lower ego are used to educate and transform
and grow the capacity of the higher ego, eventually, as with
the Angels, man loses his physical form, sheds it. Man rises
a stage higher and sheds his etheric form and replaces it with
something higher.
Now this shedding is part of what we see in
nature as a carapace. A snake skin; A chrysalis or insect, beetle
casing disposed of and a new skin arising. In the animal kingdom,
winter coats, antlers and fragments of the animal fall away,
are shed.
In the human I AM a skin, temple, garment,
cohesively imprinted by the incarnating I Am, bears a unique
clinical and physical stamp that is not like the sheddings, moltings
and casings of the animal kingdoms. In the human being, the Eye
Identity is unique and used as high security checking. The fingerprints
are used as criminal I.D markers.
Today cloned and faked voice Identification,
advanced technology can imitate Osama's Voice and we cannot ever
be certain if the Voice I.D. the vocal patterns are real or not.
Therefore technology has advanced in scare tactics in order to
keep the country guessing if John Poindexter was able to do more
damage. The truth folks is that technology of fear is far more
advanced than Poindexter has led us to believe. I hope some of
you are following this and if not raise some questions. Just
as fingerprints can be plastically made and anyone, anybody can
be convicted of a crime, once the fingerprint is on file with
some agency.
Therefore finding fingerprints at the scene
of a crime, is to say that the old Hoover science has been shed
and is now being used for other covert actions. Passports and
Identites of 9/11 hijackers have been proven to be false and
the idea that after the full implosion and fire of the plane
that hit the WTC, a passport, unburned of one of the hijackers
was found on the ground of the WTC destruction, is as mad as
the bullet that zig zagged through Kennedy and hit everything
else and came out of two bodies without a dent. If you rely on
the threats of voices and tapes of terrrorists, we are looking
at the immense foolishness of the media and the madness and stupidity
of humanity.
All along the Watchtower we can see that the
closer we come to the Heat signature of a human being, the iris,
the fingerprint, the voice pattern and the DNA, we come to all
the potential replication factors of what the I AM uses and disposes
of as it strides from cradle to grave. The I AM incorporates
in male or female alternating physical, etheric, astral and lower
ego vehicles. The I AM participates with the shaping of a new
karmic journey and patterns of the stars are wed with the very
heartbeat of the human being in question. What can be used, eaten,
duped, replicated, copied becomes more interesting if we ascend
into etheric copies, astral copies and lower ego copies. The
horizon of research widens considerably as we see what potential
copies can be used in freedom and what copies can be stolen and
imposed on the health and understanding of the human being.
Christ talked of destroying the Temple and
rebuilding it in three days. This is an interesting remaking
in matter and structure of the I AM out of the Immortal portion
beyond the lower ego. Reproducing portions of our liver or crabs
growing new arms or nano technology able to supply new body parts
from the signatures of the old take us into technology that reaches
into fallen Devachan issues. Copies of all sorts of beings, if
they were serial killers or astral shells left from executions,
cyanide deaths of souls already darkened and inhabited by infested
astral beings.. allows an astral shell to resonate in the near
by astral world.
This path of human technology, virus copy,
virus enhancement, super virus experimentation and biological
warfare are creating links to wider and wider regions of cellular
and molecular mysteries. These very mysteries in human beings
are the result of the Higher I AM kernel of Spirit re-creating
and re-introducing itself into the stream of cellular existence
and imprinting the hard wiring of physical, etheric, astral and
I.D. Identity that allows us to understand the nature of replication.
Or why culture, in mass produced cds or cell level or virus level
copies, draw off of neighboring worlds of astral, etheric and
lower ego shells. In labs and sciences enhanced and targetted
epidemics can be and are being manufactured.
So indeed Joel, you hit the nail on the head
and it is no less a cause for concern. It is rather a failure
of our ethics, a failure at profoundly discussing the kind of
safeguards.. as an example i.e., that were introduced by Jeremy
Rifkin to safeguard Insurance companies from making a denial
of coverage based on the genetic print out and potential that
the human being reveals in his/her blood and sperm. Insurance
companies could deny coverage based on placing risk at the cellular
and genetic levels. In other words by catching the human being
at the door of cellular incarnation all the potential diseases,
addictions and intelligence, including a predetermined rank in
society a demographic or genographic range of salary.
Once again, I will rebuild this Temple in
three days and the understanding that indeed Augustine had a
copy, alongside his own etheric body, of the Jesus etheric body.
That many others have had copies of the Christ astral body. So
there are going to be, whether we keep up with the research of
the universe or not, there are going to be attempts made to replicate
the lower ego, in cohesion of etheric sheath, astral sheath and
lower ego sheath.
That is one reason we look to Christian Rosenkreuz
and the 13the century and the the incarnation that followed that.
Christ rebuilt the Temple, the I AM, molecular model and took
out the aspects of the Fall. This rebuilt temple model is an
Atma or Spirit Man model. You will recall the Vocal Identification
of how Mary Magdalene heard the tone, as in devachan tone of
voice when the Resurrected Christ uttered her name..The warmth
and tone was the same I.D. that Mary had recognized in the physical
body of Jesus before the Crucifixion, now arose as a Tone trigger
in the A.D. version.
Now finding the tonal resonation of the etheric
and astral region of viruses or pathologies of the astral body
incubated in humans, is very much like the higher tuning that
Magdalene did instinctively when she tuned into the tonal identification
of the Christ being. Here we are in the unique region of atomic
table tone and soul, spirit Devachan tone origins. This is all
science and why we anthros are not hitting back with real science
sometimes worries me.
The counterpoint to human research, as research
in the sciences, tends to disregard the Christ Event as the highest
level of science, while on the other hand, everything that the
Christ achieved is agressively sought for in every military and
covert budget, only with the intent of serving what is paid well
by the government intelligence agencies. These appeal, not to
our higher intellects but the covert Ahrimanic fear infested
world destruction aspect of opposing Michael Science.
When I request that we keep up on the Michael
side with the advances that are ripped out of the imitation forces
on the Ahrimanic side, it is so that we can maintain a slender
ethical and critical handle on all that has been achieved since
1998/9. At this point the critical technologyies to freeze Light,
create super viruses that are targeted at specific etheric and
genetic points in various races, like sickle cell, ebola, Aids,
Sars and the new improved super weapon of Smallpox made in military
labs recently, deal with targetted astral, etheric and lower
ego brain patterns that are ahead of our discussions on conterpoint
from the Michael School.
In understanding the time line of incarnation
between J.E. Hoover and his influence in the U.S. all the way
up to all the X-file episodes and the more obvious Ahrimanic
plant, in Hitler and his overt, disgusting abuse of science...
Ahriman was able to influence humanity enough so the U.S. envied
and admired what Hitler had done in sterilization of those that
human beings that Camp HIlls Villages take up. It was, after
all the U.S. that was the model for the sterilization campaigns
that Hitler so envied. In this envy and information exchange,
Ahriman is won far more P.R. than those who understand, now in
2004 what some of the intents are and where they are headed.
But many in the U.S. adored, admired and gravitated to Ahrimanic
slant of Science and bribed, stole, kidnapped and took as many
German Science personalities as possible and from this, we have
continued avoiding the cosmic contribution of the Christ and
the Michael Sciences.
Bradford
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From: Steinerhead
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Asuras: Gods of Horror?
In a message dated 1/6/04 10:00:17 AM anthrouncle
writes:
But what the Asuras are doing to us cannot
be fixed; they eat up chunks of our egos that we never get back.
No wonder I'm reminded of Stephen King, the Master of Horror.
Imagine meeting clones of ourselves on the streets, armies of
them, created by the Asuras. They carry chunks of our most intimate
selves; they're part of us, subected to the control of Superdemons
forever. And it cannot be fixed! And Steiner is not allowed to
speak about it! Oh Gee....
This is pretty scary Tarjei! I immediately
thought of Frodo's stab-wound, that would never heal.
In Star Trek there is "The Borg"
with there cube shaped ships. "You will be assimilated"
was there motto, along with "resistance is futile."
Human beings being assimilated into the machine world, completely
devoid of any individuality. This metaphor is more and more present
in our modern times.
"The Terminator" has some significance
metaphorically with "Judgment Day." I personally have
trouble getting past Arnie's "pumped up" personality
though.
Darth Vader was a good one: half machine,
half human. I was awed when Luke took his mask off; there was
a deformed human being under all that scary black costume. He
was redeemed in the end though, wasn't he, because he still had
some good in him.
But there was no hope for the Emperor: "Beware
the dark side... fear, anger, aggression... once you start down
the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny".
"Forever" is an interesting word here; It has been
defined as just "everlasting" in a world where time
as we know it exists. Vaders path was dominated till the end
of his life in time. Eternity on the other hand is something
quite different. The emperor seems doomed for eternity. Where
there is no individuality left in the eternal realm. Has he been
eaten by the "gods of horror?"
Agent Smith was an eater of individuality
also. All those living in the Matrix were consumed by him. And
there was the idea that his rein was "inevitable."
The Oracle could not see past him. But then again there was redemption
for some, in Neo's Christlike self sacrifice. But not for Smith.
I used to hate the line in "Amazing Grace"
that says: "'Twas Grace that taught my heart to _FEAR_ ...
I always replaced the word _fear_ with the word _feel_, as this
was true for me. Reading your post has persuaded me to start
using the word "fear" again.
Perhaps these "Asuras" are necessary
for us, in as much as they provide an unanswerable question about
the nature of good and evil...
Grace and Fear
Mike
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 1:16 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Asuras: Gods of Horror?
At 00:29 07.01.2004, Mike wrote:
I used to hate the line in "Amazing
Grace" that says: "'Twas Grace that taught my heart
to _FEAR_ ... I always replaced the word _fear_ with the word
_feel_, as this was true for me. Reading your post has persuaded
me to start using the word "fear" again.
It's that baggage from Martin Luther's catechism:
"You shall fear and love God..." I'm not sure what
Luther meant by fear, but I can't imagine loving someone I'm
afraid of.
Grace and Fear
No, Grace and Fearlessness!
Tarjei
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From: Steinerhead
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 7:47 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Asuras: Gods of Horror?
In a message dated 1/7/04 9:17:17 Tarjei wrote:
At 00:29 07.01.2004, Mike wrote:
I used to hate the line in "Amazing
Grace" that says: "'Twas Grace that taught my heart
to _FEAR_ ... I always replaced the word _fear_ with the word
_feel_, as this was true for me. Reading your post has persuaded
me to start using the word "fear" again.
It's that baggage from Martin Luther's
catechism: "You shall fear and love God..." I'm not
sure what Luther meant by fear, but I can't imagine loving someone
I'm afraid of.
Grace and Fear
No, Grace and Fearlessness!
OK, I officially withdraw the Grace and Fear
concept, and I am sticking to my rewritten version of the song:
"'Twas Grace that taught my heart to
FEEL, and Grace my Fears RELIEVED...."
Incidentally, I just learned this year that
the melody for that song came from the humming of slaves, chained
together in the belly of a sailing ship that was bringing them
to the new world of freedom.
Truth and Love
Mike
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