Evil
From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:48 am
Subject: The Evil That Brotherhoods Do
Dear spiritual-horror buffs,
The title of this post is adapted from an
old Charles Bronson movie called "The Evil That Men Do."
It was about a nasty doctor who was a torturist during the Dirty
War in Argentina.
In other words: Let me present to you another
Anthroposophical Horror Story, under the auspices of Nachlass,
where the entire Gesamtausgabe is now available online:
http://www.rudolf-steiner.com/index.php?4
Move on to GA Volltextsuche - http://rsv.arpa.ch/cgi-bin/auth.cgi
- register, and there you are!
I am also presenting this Anthroposophical
Horror Story on the authority of my mentor and guru, Uncle Taz,
and with the seal of his occult logo, the rotating skull. As
you probably know, Uncle Taz is a bona fide Member of the Lodge
of Planetary Uncles, an elf and Uncle Sam's first cousin. Uncle
Sam doesn't want you to read this post, beause he wants you to
be controlled by the secret lodges in question and believe in
Pentagon's UFO-Jesus and in the Rapture, when the Savior arrives
with a well-armed Star Fleet ready to blow up the solar system
and Captain Matthew of Science Officer Luke beams you onboard
because you've been reading the Bible like a good ol' boy Christian
fundy while serving in the Armed Forces and worshipping the Flag.
Rudolf Steiner told us a great deal about
the evil brotherhoods, also called the secret occult lodges of
the West - so secret that we'll never find them in any Yellow
Pages or hear about them on the news or see them featured in
movies. I tried to approach this phenomenon in Steiner's works
some time ago by introducing it as "The Anthroposophical
Conspiracy Theory" with an extensive excerpt from "The
Mechanistic, Eugenic and Hygienic Aspects of the Future"
(December 1, 1923, GA 186). When I finally translated this article
from Norwegian into English, I had also become curious about
Islam, so this translation is a mixture of sorts of the two topics:
http://www.uncletaz.com/seclodg.html
This will be updated later with an article
about Islam. In the meantime, I have some juicy material about
the secret occult brotherhoods consisting of sinister initiates.
As it turns out, the only protection against the nasty mischief
done against humanity by these secret circles, is knowledge of
them in terms of absolute certainty of their existence. That,
says Rudolf Steiner in the excerpt I am going to give you below,
is *the one and only* protection against these plots.
I would like to add that there are some individuals
calling themselves conscientious anthroposophists who seek to
undermine this protection against those lodges by abusing the
science of epistemology outlined in "Wahrheit und Wissenschaft"
(which can be translated as 'Truth and Science' or 'Truth and
Knowledge' because 'Wissenschaft' means both) by creating uncertainty
instead of certainty. (Sneaky sneaky, naughty naughty.)
Ever since I discovered Steiner's horror stories,
I have found that Stephen King pales in comparison - in print,
that is. Steiner's descriptions are of such a non-material nature
that they don't seem adaptable to the screen at first glance,
but perhaps the special effects guys can come up with something.
Now that humanity has become
what it has in the post-Atlantean time, the phrase that many
people expound in their comfortable smugness is completely incorrect:
"While we live here between birth and death, it is a matter
of surrendering ourselves to life. If later, when we have passed
through death, we then enter a spiritual world, that will reveal
itself in good time and for that we can wait. Here we will enjoy
life as if there were only a material world; if one enters a
spiritual world through death, such a world will then reveal
itself, if it really exists." This attitude is about as
clever as the pledge that someone makes, saying, "As truly
as there is a God in heaven, I am an atheist!" It is just
about that intelligent, but it is the attitude of many who say,
"It will be revealed after death how things are; meanwhile
it is not at all necessary to occupy ourselves with spiritual
science."
This attitude has always been
contestable, but in the post-Atlantean period in which we live
it becomes especially ominous, because it has been particularly
urged upon human beings by the powers of evil. When man under
the present conditions of evolution passes through the portal
of death, he takes with him the conditions of consciousness that
he has created for himself between birth and death. The person
who has occupied himself under present circumstances exclusively
with materialistic ideas, concepts, and sense impressions of
the material, of the sense world, condemns himself after death
to live in an environment in which only concepts defined during
bodily life have bearing. The human being who has absorbed spiritual
ideas enters the spiritual world legitimately, but one who has
rejected spiritual ideas is forced to remain in a certain sense
within earthly conditions until he - and this may endure for
a long time - has learned there to absorb enough spiritual concepts
that he can be carried by them into the spiritual world. Whether
we absorb spiritual concepts or reject them therefore determines
our environment on the other side of the threshold. Many of those
souls - and this must be said with compassion - who have rejected
or were hindered from absorbing spiritual concepts here in life
are still wandering about on earth and, though dead, remain bound
to the earthly sphere. The soul of the human being, however,
when no longer separated from its environment by the physical
body - which can then no longer prevent the human soul from acting
destructively - becomes a source of disturbance within the earthly
sphere.
Let us study what I would
like to characterize as the more normal situation, in which souls
under present circumstances pass over into the spiritual world
after death, souls who wished to know nothing at all about spiritual
concepts and experiences. They become sources of disturbance,
because they are retained within the earthly sphere. Only souls
who here on earth have already been completely permeated by a
certain relationship to the spiritual world pass through the
portal of death in such a way that they can be received in the
right way in the spiritual world. They will be carried away from
the earthly sphere in such a way that they can spin threads to
those remaining behind, threads that are continually being spun.
We must be clear about this: the spiritual threads between the
souls of the dead and those of us who are bound to them are not
ruptured by death; they remain, are even closer, after death
than they were here on earth. What I have said must be accepted
as a serious, significant truth.
I am not the only one who
has this knowledge; others are also aware that this is so at
present. There are many, however, who exploit this truth in a
terrible way. There are misguided materialists today who believe
that material life is the only one, but there are also initiates
who are materialists and who spread materialistic teaching through
brotherhoods. You must not be misled into believing that these
initiates are of the foolish opinion that there is no spirit
or that the human being does not have a soul that can live independently
of the body. You can be confident that one who has been truly
initiated in the spiritual world would never surrender himself
to the foolishness of believing in mere matter. There are many,
however, who have a certain interest in encouraging the dissemination
of materialism and who make all sorts of arrangements so that
a large proportion of human beings believe only in materialism
and are totally under its influence. They are brotherhoods that
have at their head initiates who have exactly this interest in
cultivating materialism and disseminating it. These materialists
are well served when there is constant talk that materialism
has already been overcome, for it is possible to further some
causes by using words with antithetical meaning. How this is
handled is often most complicated.
What is it that such initiates
desire, these initiates who know quite well that the human soul
is a purely spiritual being, a being fully independent of corporeality?
What do these initiates desire who, in spite of knowing this,
shelter and cultivate the materialistic thinking of human beings?
These initiates desire that there should be as many souls as
possible who here between birth and death absorb only materialistic
concepts. Through this, these souls are prepared to remain in
the earthly sphere. They become to a certain extent fastened
to the earhtly sphere. Picture to yourself that brotherhoods
are established that clearly know this, that are thoroughly familiar
with these circumstances. These brotherhoods prepare certain
human souls so that they remain in the realm of the material.
If these brotherhoods then arrange - which is quite possible
through their infamous power - that these souls come after death
into the region of the power-sphere of their brotherhood, then
this brotherhood grows to tremendous strength. These materialists,
therefore, are not materialists because they do not believe in
the spirit - these initiate materialists are not so silly; they
know full well the spirit's position. They induce souls to remain
with matter even after death, however, in order to make use of
such souls for their own purposes. From these brotherhoods, a
clientele of souls is thus produced who remain within the realm
of the earth. These souls of the dead have within them forces
that can be guided in the most diveres ways, with which one can
bring about a variety of things and by means of which one can
come to special manipulations of power in relation to those who
have not been initiated in these things.
This is simply an arrangement
of certain brotherhoods. In this matter, one can see clearly
only if one does not allow oneself to be deceived by darkness
and fog, does not permit oneself to be deceived by the belief
that such brotherhoods either do not exist or that their activities
are harmless. They are by no means harmless; they are, in fact,
extremely harmful. They say that human beings should enter more
and more deeply into materialism, that they should believe, according
to the thinking of such initiates,that spiritual forces exist,
to be sure, but that these spiritual forces are nothing other
than certain forces of nature.
I would like to characterize
for you the ideal that such brotherhoods hold. One must exert
a little effort to understand the situation. Picture for yourself,
therefore, a harmless world of people who are somewhat led astray
by today's prevailing materialistic concepts, who have strayed
away a little from the old, established religious ideas. Picture
for yourself such a harmless humanity. Perhaps we can picture
it for ourselves graphically.
[GRAPHIC DRAWING of two circles,
one (orange) larger than the other (green), with dots representing
human beings, and with lines from the dots in large orange circle
to the dots in the small green circle]
We imagine here the realm
of such a harmless humaniy (larger circle). As I said, this humanity
is not completely clear about the spiritual world; led astray
by materialism, they are unsure how they should conduct themselves
toward the spiritual world. They are especially unclear how they
should act in relation to those who have passed through the portal
of death. Let us assume that the realm of such a brotherhood
is here (small circle, green). This brotherhood spreads the teachings
of materialism; it is concerned that people think purely materialistic
thoughts. In this way the brotherhood brings about the procreation
of souls who remain in the earthly sphere after death. These
would become a spiritual clientele for the lodge (see drawing,
orange). This means that dead people have been created who would
not leave the earthly sphere but would remain on earth. If the
right preparations have been made, they can be retained in the
lodges. In this way, therefore, lodges have been created that
contain the living as well as the dead, but dead who are related
to earthly forces.
The matter is directed so
that these people hold sessions in the same way as was the case
with the seances held during the course of the second half of
the nineteenth century, about shich I have often spoken. It may
then happen - and I beg you to bear this in mind - that what
occurs in these seances is directed by the lodge with the help
of the dead. The true intention of the masters of those lodges,
however, is that the human beings should not know that they are
dealing with the dead but rather should believe that they are
dealing with higher forces of nature. People are made to believe
that these are higher forces of nature, that psychism and the
like are only higher forces of nature. The true concept of soul
will be taken from them, and it will be said that, just as there
is electricity, just as there is magnetism, so there are also
such higher forces. The fact that these forces are derived from
souls is concealed by those who are leaders in the lodge. Through
this, however, these others, these harmless souls, gradually
become completely dependent, dependent in their souls, upon the
lodge, without realizing what is subjugating them, without realizing
the source of what is actually directing them.
There is no remedy against
this situation other than knowledge of it. When one knows about
it, one is already protected. When one knows it to the extent
that the knowledge has become an inner certainty, a real conviction,
then one is protected. One must not, however, be too lazy in
striving to gain knowledge of these things. It must be said,
though, that it is never entirely too late. I have often brought
the following to your attention: these things can become clear
only gradually, and I can pull together only gradually the elements
to bring you complete clarity.I have often made you aware that,
in the course of the second half of the nineteenth century, many
brotherhoods of the West introduced spiritism experimentally
to convince themselves through this test that they had gone as
far with humanity as they had intended. It was a testing to see
how far they were with humanity. In these seances they expected
that people would say that there are higher forces of nature.
Then they were disappointed, these brothers of the left, that
people did not say this but rather said that in the seances spirits
of the dead appear. That was a bitter disappointment for the
initiates; that was exactly what they did not want, because it
was just this belief in the dead that these initiates wished
to take from man. Not the activity of the dead, not the activity
of the forces of the dead, but this thought that the forces derive
from the dead, this correct, significant thought, this was to
be taken from man. The brothers see that this is a higher materialism;
it is a materialism that not only denies the spirit but wishes
to force the spirit into matter. They see that materialism has
forms in which it can already be denied. One can say that materialism
has disappeared - we are speaking already about spirit, but all
of them speak about spirit in a vague way. It is very easy to
be a materialist whan all nature has been made into spirit in
such a way that psychism emerges. What is important is that one
is able to cast one's glance into the concrete spiritual world,
into concrete spirituality.
Here you have the beginning
of what will become more and more intense in the next five centuries.
These evil brotherhoods now are limiting themselves, but they
are bound to continue their activity if they are not prevented,
and they can only be prevented if one overcomes laziness toward
the spiritual scientific world conception.
Through these seances, therefore,
these brotherhoods betray themselves, so to speak. Instead of
covering themselves, they have unveiled themselves through these
seances. This showed that their scheme was not really quite successful.
For this reason, the impulse sprang up within these same brotherhoods
to strive to discredit spiritism for a time during the 1890's.
In short, you can see how deeply incisive effects can be achieved
in this way with the methods of the spiritual world. What we
are dealing with here is the enhancement of power, exploiting
certain evolutionary conditions that must emerge in the course
of humanity's evolution.
"Individual Spirit Beings and the Undivided
Foundation of the World, Part 1" November 18, 1917; Dornach;
GA 186. Published by The Anthroposophic Press in "The Reappearance
of Christ in the Etheric" 1983
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: Steinerhead
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Evil That Brotherhoods
Do
In a message dated 1/10/04 9:49:29 AM Tarjei
writes, Quoting RS:
The brothers see that this
is a higher materialism; it is a materialism that not only denies
the spirit but wishes to force the spirit into matter. They see
that materialism has forms in which it can already be denied.
One can say that materialism has disappeared - we are speaking
already about spirit, but all of them speak about spirit in a
vague way. It is very easy to be a materialist whan all nature
has been made into spirit in such a way that psychism emerges.
What is important is that one is able to cast one's glance into
the concrete spiritual world, into concrete spirituality.
This reminds me of a favorite Emerson passage
of mine. I have shared this on other lists so please bare with
me. I do think it worth reading again and again. If fact, I'm
using it as practice for a demonstration in my (hopefully) upcoming
speech classes.
Imagine projecting this Imaginatively (ethericly)
to an audience:
The reason why the world lacks
unity, and lies broken and in heaps, is, because man is disunited
with himself. He cannot be a naturalist, until he satisfies all
the demands of the spirit. Love is as much its demand, as perception.
Indeed, neither can be perfect without the other. In the uttermost
meaning of the words, thought is devout, and devotion is thought.
Deep calls unto deep. But in actual life, the marriage is not
celebrated. There are innocent men who worship God after the
tradition of their fathers, but their sense of duty has not yet
extended to the use of all their faculties. And there are patient
naturalists, but they freeze their subject under the wintry light
of the understanding. Is not prayer also a study of truth, --
a sally of the soul into the unfound infinite? No man ever prayed
heartily, without learning something. But when a faithful thinker,
resolute to detach every object from personal relations, and
see it in the light of thought, shall, at the same time, kindle
science with the fire of the holiest affections, then will God
go forth anew into the creation.
This is the part that I am practicing for
my speech presentation. When I cut and pasted it, somehow the
rest of the essay stayed with it. After reading it, I thought
it worth leaving as an inspiration in the opposite direction
of "the Evil that Brothers do."
Enjoy!
"It will not need, when
the mind is prepared for study, to search for objects. The invariable
mark of wisdom is to see the miraculous in the common. What is
a day? What is a year? What is summer? What is woman? What is
a child? What is sleep? To our blindness, these things seem unaffecting.
We make fables to hide the baldness of the fact and conform it,
as we say, to the higher law of the mind. But when the fact is
seen under the light of an idea, the gaudy fable fades and shrivels.
We behold the real higher law. To the wise, therefore, a fact
is true poetry, and the most beautiful of fables. These wonders
are brought to our own door. You also are a man. Man and woman,
and their social life, poverty, labor, sleep, fear, fortune,
are known to you. Learn that none of these things is superficial,
but that each phenomenon has its roots in the faculties and affections
of the mind. Whilst the abstract question occupies your intellect,
nature brings it in the concrete to be solved by your hands.
It were a wise inquiry for the closet, to compare, point by point,
especially at remarkable crises in life, our daily history, with
the rise and progress of ideas in the mind. So shall we come
to look at the world with new eyes. It shall answer the endless
inquiry of the intellect, -- What is truth? and of the affections,
-- What is good? by yielding itself passive to the educated Will.
Then shall come to pass what my poet said; `Nature is not fixed
but fluid. Spirit alters, moulds, makes it. The immobility or
bruteness of nature, is the absence of spirit; to pure spirit,
it is fluid, it is volatile, it is obedient. Every spirit builds
itself a house; and beyond its house a world; and beyond its
world, a heaven. Know then, that the world exists for you. For
you is the phenomenon perfect. What we are, that only can we
see. All that Adam had, all that Caesar could, you have and can
do. Adam called his house, heaven and earth; Caesar called his
house, Rome; you perhaps call yours, a cobler's trade; a hundred
acres of ploughed land; or a scholar's garret. Yet line for line
and point for point, your dominion is as great as theirs, though
without fine names. Build, therefore, your own world. As fast
as you conform your life to the pure idea in your mind, that
will unfold its great proportions. A correspondent revolution
in things will attend the influx of the spirit. So fast will
disagreeable appearances, swine, spiders, snakes, pests, madhouses,
prisons, enemies, vanish; they are temporary and shall be no
more seen. The sordor and filths of nature, the sun shall dry
up, and the wind exhale. As when the summer comes from the south;
the snow-banks melt, and the face of the earth becomes green
before it, so shall the advancing spirit create its ornaments
along its path, and carry with it the beauty it visits, and the
song which enchants it; it shall draw beautiful faces, warm hearts,
wise discourse, and heroic acts, around its way, until evil is
no more seen. The kingdom of man over nature, which cometh not
with observation, -- a dominion such as now is beyond his dream
of God, -- he shall enter without more wonder than the blind
man feels who is gradually restored to perfect sight.
Ralpfh Waldo Emerson, "Nature"
1838
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 7:42 am
Subject: The Evil That Men Allow
Tarjei has just shared with us this most remarkable
lecture by Dr. Steiner:
"Individual Spirit Beings and the
Undivided Foundation of the World, Part 1" November 18,
1917; Dornach; GA 186. Published by The Anthroposophic Press
in "The Reappearance of Christ in the Etheric" 1983
This passage jumped out at me:
There is no remedy against
this situation other than knowledge of it. When one knows about
it, one is already protected. When one knows it to the extent
that the knowledge has become an inner certainty, a real conviction,
then one is protected. One must not, however, be too lazy in
striving to gain knowledge of these things. It must be said,
though, that it is never entirely too late.
I SAID IT! I SAID IT! I SAID IT!
No, not first, but in a previous post!
Sorry, I tried to find it, but I have hundreds
of e-mails saved in my "filing cabinet" waiting to
be sorted out. But a few weeks ago, when we were having discussions
about current events and evil, I did state categorically that
the ONLY weapon that we have against the dark forces of our time
is not "love" but TRUTH and knowledge of Truth. We
might die for it, but we have to look our executioners in the
eye and say "I KNOW YOU!" "I KNOW WHO YOU REALLY
ARE AND WHAT YOU ARE REALLY DOING!"
This is why I urge people to study about the
White Rose Group. So far, no one has answered me that they already
knew about them or want to know more or couldn't care less one
way or another. But what grabs my heart is that they were all
just you and me, just ordinary students, teachers and folks.
There is Sophie Scholl like a little lost girl, seeming like
a child who might get lost on a bus system - not a warrior prepared
to take on all of Nazi Germany! They were students, but not necessarily
brilliant intellectuals. Their pamphlets were not astronomically
brilliant treatises on the nature of Man and his relation to
Evil. They were not slick advertising campaigns or products of
a widespread political movement with millions of members to back
them up. They were just a handful of ordinary young people who
saw the Truth and had to speak the Truth no matter the cost.
And they DID pay the cost - every one of them - with their LIVES!
Not a theoretical warriorship or mere heart-string allegiance
to an idea, but the full IDEA + WILL = IDEAL.
Will YOU? Will I? Will ANYONE?
Nazi Germany was just a trial run - like a
mock jury trial, which is then analysed to see what works or
what might go wrong in the "real thing". Hitler was
a puppet, just as Bush. To believe that any of the people that
we see before us is "the one", the power-broker, is
to believe exactly what "THEY" want us to believe.
It is a distraction from the Reality - The Wizard of OZ hiding
the man behind the curtain. Only in our case, the man behind
the curtain is not a sweet, kindly, cowardly charlatan, but The
Evil One himself - or at least ONE of the EVIL ONES. We DON'T
want to open that curtain - Do We?? Noooooo! We don't want to
see. We want to pull the covers over our heads and hide from
the Darkness. We want to believe in the Wizard of OZ. He's scary,
but we can handle that. He's a horror movie scary. It's fun,
even, because we can tell ourselves he's not really real. But
behind the curtain? Oh no. We don't want to look, because if
we do, it will never go away, the house lights will not go back
up, we can't go home and laugh about it.
One of the big "mistakes" of Hitler's
time, one that WILL be corrected, is that he TALKED too much!
Too much was said, was known through his speeches and rhetoric.
Of course, they were relying primarily on his oratory, they didn't
have the sophisticated electronic media and manipulation that
is available today. But back then, he actually TOLD people what
was happening and what was going to happen, what their intention
was (at least to a point). He could actually SPEAK about mass
extermination and the creation of a master race and have an audience
that didn't object. Today, those same powers have helped to create
a world of political thought in which such ideas are "verboten"
yet carried still at a much deeper level - unspoken, "un-thought"
even, where they live, breath and function at a much deeper,
more insidious level and have far more power.
Many, many years ago, I wrote a little essay
(never shared with anyone except my then husband) called "The
Rise of He-Man or Did Hitler Really Win the War?"
As a nanny and teacher at the time, I really
squirmed when I saw children watching the ENORMOUSLY POPULAR
cartoon series "He-Man" which spawned zillions of similar
cartoons and comics. Even among the children in Waldorf Schools,
the cartoons were discussed and played out on the playground.
Twenty to thirty years later, those cartoons would seem mild
and simplistic in comparison with what the children today are
watching on Saturday mornings. Check it out - really - best sex
and violence on TV!
But the real message of He-Man was that when
the Earth was devastated and turned into a lifeless hunk of rock,
only those genetically manipulated with superhuman strength would
prevail and they would be creatures resembling humans (to a certain
extent) but would no longer be bothered with human thoughts,
feelings or ideals, concerned only with survival. These images
were fed into our children endlessly and now live in their subconcious.
People in their twenties to thirties now would deny those images
have any effect on their lives or their thinking. They would
laugh at such a notion. Just silly cartoons! Yet those images
of a "super race" (where only the "bad guys"
were black, as in most cartoons and movies made for children)
live on, like cancerous cells in their souls. They have been
"infected" and "innoculated" with these thoughts
and images. Of course, the effects have spread wildly. Pick up
ANY magazine the next time you are standng in line at the supermarket.
You don't need the Enquirer type, there is Self, O, GQ, Cosmpolitan
- ANY of them. Exercise, eat an optimum diet, use bo-tox, lift,
tuck, build that Super Body! Be a Super Man or Super Woman!!
Be brilliant! Be successful!! Make lots of money! Buy lots of
cars, houses, clothes, jewelry. Get lots of therapy! Clear out
all those doubts and worries! Get rid of all negativity, all
those troubling thoughts! Have Super Babies! Make sure they can
recite the list of US Presidents and tell Mozart from Beethoven
by the age of three!! Only Super People will survive and conquer!!!
Be a Super Human for Jesus! Be a Survivor! Like Aliens if they
are going to help make you a Super Person. Don't like them if
they try to make you less than Super! Blast them outta the sky!!
Independence Day!!!
Did Hitler, Nietzche et all win the war? You
BETCHA!! Is Bush an idiot? IT DOESN'T MATTER! He has been BRED!!!!
for his job!!! He is the SON of the power brokers - George and
BARBARA Bush (such a nice white haired lady, isn't she?) She
was chosen to BREED these men - George W - Jeb - Neil - (are
there more?) Just like Diana was chosen to BREED William and
Henry. Both have "an heir and a spare." Only Barbara
knew or came to know and accept THE PLAN - Diana didn't know
and when she found out, she was horrified and tried to escape,
but was killed. BREEDERS! GENETICS!! and then raised, trained
for their positions. Do you still think we VOTED Bush-Clinton-Bush
into office! GET REAL! The voting, the rhetoric, the existence
of political opponents - it's all the Wizard of OZ to keep us
from trying to open that curtain!!!
I don't know what Joel and Tarjei are fighting
about. But I was told long ago that much care was needed in discussing
Evil, especially the Asuras, who are strengthened by the mere
mention of their name and that such discussions should be conducted
with much preparation and caution. Perhaps the time for caution
has passed. But we need to be cautious in our souls. Of course,
we need to debate and use critical thinking, but once we cross
over into attack, you can forget about achieving anything useful.
Evil one says to his imps "Just get them bickering - that'll
keep them occupied and out of my hair for a while." "Boy,
that was easy" says Imp.
Bradford has been absolutely RHAPSODIZING
about Rudolf Steiner and I AGREE! But why does it have to be
a this is better/ this is worse comparison?? Yes, he was the
GREATEST thinker - artistic - spiritual warrior since Christ's
incarnation. But does that make all others so much LESS? Like
Tolkein?? Steiner's purpose in relation to Speech Development
is totally different than Tolkien. Tolkien's books were not even
about the future (except indirectly) they are about the Past
- even a mythical past! If they come to inspire the soul to fact
future battles, that is a good thing, but I don't get that Tolkein
wrote them as philosophical or political treatises.
Steiner's work with Speech Development (which
I studied with one of the BEST - Sarah Burton in Spring Valley
for a whole year every day) and even the FOUR YEAR COURSE in
Dornach is not even about our time - it is a "mere"
seed work - something that is being planted for almost unimaginable
futures. The same, really with Eurythmy and all of the Art indications
that he gave.
What REALLY knocks me out about Steiner is
that he did not just TALK about it all - LOOK at the Statue -
the Paintings - the Glass Windows - the Goetheanum (TWO) - the
Bio-Dynamics farms that exist - not just imagined - ditto the
Anthroposophical Hospitals and clinics (in Europe, alas) - THE
SCHOOLS - and everything else!
We're not just dealing here with ideas that
exist only on the conceptual level and haven't yet been tried
or put into practice! This is the TRULY AMAZING part!!! He brought
it DOWN TO EARTH!!! He made it REAL!! He could have just sat
in a room and wrote and wrote all of these ideas and left them
all as books on a shelf for humanity to pick up or not, but he
didn't - HE WORKED!!! He galvanized people - made them more than
they were before - inspired - enlivened - activated!! He built
buildings, taught children to play and teachers to teach, taught
dancers to dance, singers to sing, preachers to preach, doctors
to heal, farmers to farm and much more - and by example - he
got his HANDS DIRTY!!
And because of it - ANYONE can come to Anthroposophy
if they have anything open at all in their Heart, Mind or Will.
There is practical work to do, artistic work to do and intellectual
work to do. If we all had to be GENIUSES and have PHDs to understand
Steiner, we might as well give up now! But we don't. We can be
and are flawed - very flawed. Not smart enough, not strong enough,
not talented enough to really live up to what he gave us. We
are not all clairvoyant nor will we be for a few more life times.
But if we can bring even a spark of love to all of this, we can
ignite a BLAZE! for the future. THAT to me is the Wonder and
the Glory of it all! Just a spark of enthusiasm in our hearts,
just a small crack in the iron curtain of our minds, just a small
gesture - just a step in the right direction. Oh, we just can't
SEE what this means! That after HE has lived and died even such
a small handful of us that are willing to learn and striving
to do something from out of his work are still here is a WONDERMENT!!
"MY HEART WILL GO ON" - theme song from "Titanic"
should be our theme song. Do you understand? WE MAY STILL DIE
FOR THIS!!!!
This is what I want to be made known to all
parents who come to put their child in a Waldorf School - "You
may DIE for this one day." Extreme? Sensational? Do you
want to believe that? Fools!! If you do NOT believe that, then
you do NOT believe the very treatises on Evil that you are so
fervently discussing here!! YOU are the ones spinning webs of
fantasy. Just because Waldorf teachers haven't been rounded up
and incarcerated since 1940, do you think it won't happen? It
has been a mere 60 years! Has the political world gotten BETTER?
I think not! But our Hearts MUST GO ON!! In spite of our differences
of opinions, in spite of our glaring faults and weaknesses, in
spite of our stumbling feet and faltering wills. WE MUST GO ON!!
So correct the one walking beside you if you feel it necessary,
but be prepared for the day when you may have to carry him or
you may need him to carry you. We don't know HOW we are going
to get up Mount Doom - only that that is where we are going.
And if you deny this, then go back to the
"safe" world of the Super Man and try to be smarter
and stronger and richer and learn to survive in the "Real
World" as best as you are able. Live in the (relatively)
comfortable USA. Ignore the death and torture that are occuring
this minute and continue unabating in probably 80% of the rest
of the world. Ignore the obvert oppression that reigns in places
where the populations are not educated enough for the covert
oppressions to be effective. Ignore the FEMA concentration camps,
the World Trade Center murders by the United States - not the
Arabs, the imprisonment of hundreds of thousands in Federal Prisons
for smoking marijuana while hundreds of thousands die from alcoholism
and drunk driving.
"I am OZ - Great and Powerful! Ignore
that man behind the curtain!"
Christine
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 12:58 pm
Subject: The Mystery of Evil
At 16:42 10.01.2004, Christine wrote:
I don't know what Joel and Tarjei are fighting
about.
Something Joel considers a distraction: PLANS'
favorite article written by an 'anthroposophist':
http://ipwebdev.com/hermit/ktmc1.html
It's an ugly piece of dirty gossip about Rudolf
Steiner that should allegedly not be spoken of outside the immediate
presence of the author. By the same token, we should have to
wait for the arrival of Peter Staudenmaier before we discuss
"Anthroposophy and Eco-Fascism."
But I was told long ago that much care
was needed in discussing Evil, especially the Asuras, who are
strengthened by the mere mention of their name and that such
discussions should be conducted with much preparation and caution.
They carry the original name of the hierarchy
they belong(ed) to: The Archai, or Time Spirits, also called
the Spirits of Personality. The original name of this hierarchy
was The Asuras; the fallen spirits took the name with them.
Perhaps the time for caution has passed.
Steiner once spoke about how he was originally
hindered from speaking about some specific fallen spirits, but
then some years passed, and he could speak about them freely.
If someone recalls the reference, please quote.
But we need to be cautious in our souls.
Of course, we need to debate and use critical thinking, but once
we cross over into attack, you can forget about achieving anything
useful.
I agree. The topic of Rudolf Steiner's silence
about the Asuras beyond what has already been quoted, was raised
by Georg Unger, who was the head of the Department of Mathematics
and Astronomy, in his lecture, "The Nature of Sub-Sensible
Forces." There seems to be a connection between the mystery
of evil and the question of atomic energy, and the role of the
Asuras are somehow linked to this topic, which is why Unger mentions
it in this lecture. He says:
Let us, therefore, consider
here the mystery of evil. The problem of evil is just that, that
it is a mystery. To the extent that I am able to formulate it
- I speak on my own responsibility, and not with reference to
Rudolf Steiner - there are three steps necessary for our present
consideration. The first is hard enough to understand, and many
of us will find much there to dwell upon before we really understand
it. That is, that after one has made only the very first steps
towards understanding the world as an evolution of the spirit,
one comes to realize that evil, as we imagine it, does not in
fact exist. I could quote such words from Rudolf Steiner, but
I would prefer not to: one must not take such things out of their
proper context. His words, however, have to do with that first
stage of a development which was made possible for man by the
"Good Gods" - a development in which man, as we know
him, is called to freedom. All that goes along with this evolution
is - good. All that opposes itself to it is - evil. And whenever
man sets himself against this development, he is- in this connection
- evil! Steiner himself, at one point, called it the "Mystery
of the relativity of good and evil." Anyone who knows Steiner
knows that he did not here propose some shallow relativism, definitely
not. But one must bring oneself to a certain level of comprehension
in order to understand what is meant thereby.
The second step, which is
already more difficult to understand, is the realization that
the working of evil is inevitable, and also that one cannot possibly
avoid having contact with it. We live in a world in which evil
is at work, and man cannot always and at all times keep himself
pure. Were he to try to do so, he would not, for instance, be
able to work in any profession. It is truly impossible to demand
the extirpation of evil - for it has its own task. Of course,
if it is not seen and understood in its proper perspective, it
will be misunderstood. And I would not like to be misunderstood
on this point either, for today misunderstanding is to be found
everywhere. People wait for the opportunity to seize upon a public
statement - partucularly one made by an Anthroposophist - and
then to say: "Look here! They are proponents of evil, in
that they claim that it is unavoidable!" No, there is a
particular task in the second step: the courage of knowledge,
courage to know. Man must be able to make a stand. We find a
passage in the Gospel of St. Mark (Chapter 13), which is very
relevant for our time: One must dare to utter the truth, even
if one is punished for being a witness thereof. And we read also
(St. Mark 13:11) that one should not worry beforehand what one
has to say. The truth must now be said: and the truth is, that
we live in a civilization in which, through electricity, magnetism,
and the beginning of the third force, the forces of evil will
have a hand. Everyone is free to choose to flee from them. (Just
as everyone is free to misunderstand Steiner.) But whoever does
not choose to flee these forces must free himself from all illusions:
it is not possible to eliminate evil, but one can call for the
acquisition of a true knowledge of evil.
And now we come to the third
step. One always sees that Rudolf Steiner, when he came to the
subject of the Asuras and of the evil which is coming upon us,
says, "Oh, one cannot speak about that." Over and over
again he says, "One cannot speak about the true mystery
of evil." And if he could not, then neither can I. If I
say a little about it now, it is only to suggest a direction
of where, spiritually, one can discern something of the mystery.
Evil is not anonymous; there are always powers which embody evil,
beings which also develop themselves thereby. And (this is not
a quotation) they have also perhaps made sacrifices in undertaking
this task - sacrifices whose magnitude we cannot imagine......
And so I have indicated a direction. Any further word would only
be misunderstood, as if one would call evil good, would justify
it, would want to destroy the earth in order that we can sooner
pass over into Future Jupiter, or other absurdities, absolutely
criminal absurdities.
But there is one further thing
which is quite clear from the work of Rudolf Steiner. Where evil
appears, fear prevails; and that, to be sure, is the work of
Ahriman. however, as long as we can only use the fear which people
have of future catastrophes to motivate them against nuclear
energy, we are not yet really clear about the true nature of
evil.
- Georg Unger: "The Nature of Sub-Sensible
Forces," "On Nuclear Energy and the Occult Atom"
was translated from "Von Wesen der Kernenergie" and
published by The Anthroposophic Press in 1982.
"But when they shall
lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what
ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that
speak, but the Holy Ghost." - Mark
13:11
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:32 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil
At then end of Tarjei's contribution:
But there is one further
thing which is quite clear from the work of Rudolf Steiner. Where
evil appears, fear prevails; and that, to be sure, is the work
of Ahriman. however, as long as we can only use the fear which
people have of future catastrophes to motivate them against nuclear
energy, we are not yet really clear about the true nature of
evil.
- Georg Unger: "The Nature of Sub-Sensible
Forces," "On Nuclear Energy and the Occult Atom"
was translated from "Von Wesen der Kernenergie" and
published by The Anthroposophic Press in 1982.
"But when they shall
lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what
ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall
be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that
speak, but the Holy Ghost." - Mark
13:11
I have had a direct experience that taught
me (the hard way, as always) that anything that is put forward
as Spiritual that promotes FEAR is the WRONG THING!! This is
something I lived through and barely survived. If you are in
a situation where you find you might be in contact with a spiritual
being - I won't specify how - and you wonder whether you should
listen to him/ her/ it and you hear ANYTHING about a disaster
that will occur that they will help you avoid -
get out!! That is a great part of the seductive forces - and
oh, yes, they had me hook, line and sinker for a while - first,
it is so beautiful and wonderful. Then words of caution and direction.
Then words of disaster and you need them to keep safe. Get out.
That's all I can say.
Now, when I hear a fear-mongerer, whether
a "new-ager" or a fundamentalist, I KNOW what I am
dealing with, I learned my lesson the hard way!
I don't think that our recent discussions
about Evil were about fear, at least that's not what I heard
or contributed. Fear is real and has its place, but fear of things
that may happen is debilitating - physically and spiritually.
However, training for the fight and getting a good suit of armor,
sword, shield and helmet is just good sense.
I also learned the hard way that Anger is
not its own entity, psychologically speaking - it is always a
symptom of Fear! It took me many years of being awash in Anger
to know this. Anger is to Fear as Pain is to Infection. You can
try to treat the Anger, but until you heal the Fear, it won't
be very effective.
This secret unveiled has worked a magic in
my life. Now, if I feel Anger, I ask myself (if I can) "What
am I afraid of?" The asking of the question always diffuses
the anger - always!
About speaking the Truth - when I was younger
I used to listen to lectures, discussions, etc. with my elders
and betters and I really tried to keep my mouth shut, but I often
had a completely physical experience of words rising up within
me until I felt a burning and trembling sensation and I always
blurted out what those words were. Sometimes they shocked people
- sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a not so good way. Most
of the time, I didn't even know that I knew the words I spoke
or what it was I was saying! I'm older now and I've learned to
suppress a lot of this, I have had to to survive in this world.
But I remember a very pivotal event that relates directly to
the quote about about nuclear energy. It was 1972 or 73 - either
the first summer I was at Threefold Farm or the second and I
was sitting in an audience in the side lecture room. The discussion
was turned to nuclear warfare, which in those years was a profound
mental and emotional presence in our lives. But this feeling
came over me and I stood up and said, "Nuclear warfare is
not the ultimate Evil. It is not what God will destroy the Earth
the second time about. Man has always had means to kill each
other, whether with bombs or stones. The Evil that will cause
God to destroy the Earth a second time is
if they ever perfect Cloning to the point where they can reproduce
a human body that lives. This is the Evil that God will destroy
the Earth for."
I don't even know where it came from, really.
Cloning was only an inkling in the conciousness of the times.
But several much, much older people came up to me afterward and
told me that they agreed. I remember one woman who had KNOWN
Rudolf Steiner when she was my age then!
I was shaking afterward. I had other times
similar, but that was the most powerful. I don't know if it was
prophecy or what. I am not spiritually gifted and don't really
want to be. But I think I know what Matthew means, and that passage
about not being concerned what you are going to say when you
go to trial, that is very real to me. The words will be given,
we will be a Vessel for the Truth if we allow our Self to be.
It's OK to tell me I'm just nuts - I already
know that! : )
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil
At 22:32 10.01.2004, Christine wrote:
I also learned the hard way that Anger
is not its own entity, psychologically speaking - it is always
a symptom of Fear! It took me many years of being awash in Anger
to know this. Anger is to Fear as Pain is to Infection. You can
try to treat the Anger, but until you heal the Fear, it won't
be very effective.
I disagree with that. There is such a thing
as "holy wrath." It has nothing to do with fear. Rudolf
Steiner speaks about it also in a lecture entitled, "The
mission of Wrath." (I have it on my shelf somewhere in Norwegian
translation; reference and quote later perhaps.)
Fear may turn into aggression and assume the
resemblance of anger, but it's still fear. This kind of aggression
is dangerous, because it is fuelled by fear and potentially out
of control. Second degree murders happen this way when people
feel threatened and become desperately fearful.
But there is justifiable wrath; an energy
that delivers us from egotism and self-interest. It is the anger
that make a person fight against injustice, for instance. The
very courage displayed in connection with this kind of anger
shows that there is no fear involved. There is determination
and strength in this kind of anger.
I remember Steiner saying that the presence
of an older person who has felt a lot of justifiable wrath in
his youth, is experienced as a blessing.
But this feeling came over me and I stood
up and said, "Nuclear warfare is not the ultimate Evil.
It is not what God will destroy the Earth the second time about.
Man has always had means to kill each other, whether with bombs
or stones. The Evil that will cause
God to destroy the Earth a second time
is if they ever perfect Cloning to the point where they can reproduce
a human body that lives. This is the Evil that God will destroy
the Earth for."
I don't even know where it came from, really.
Cloning was only an inkling in the conciousness of the times.
But several much, much older people came up to me afterward and
told me that they agreed. I remember one woman who had KNOWN
Rudolf Steiner when she was my age then!
I seem to recall a connection between abuse
of modern scientific knowledge and the betrayal of the Sun Mystery
on Atlantis or something like that. Does anyone remember?
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 2:23 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil
I didn't say that either Fear or Anger were
always a bad thing. One wouldn't have "Holy Wrath"
without justification. And the justification is the fear of the
effects of some think. It doesn't have to be cowardly! The most
courageous warrior is afraid - he/ she has to be to be healthy,
otherwise he/ she is just a psychopath! Holy wrath is when you
are "afraid" for someone else, or for the Earth or
for the Truth or whatever you perceive is being abused or attacked
or possibly will be so.
Fear is a very good thing, just as pain and
even infection is! infection is good because it is the body trying
to heal itself from something invasive, a weapon or a "germ"
or whatever. Pain is good because it makes us concious of the
danger! There was a program on TV a few years
ago, if I remember, about children who have a syndrome where
they are born without the ability to feel pain. What a horror!!!
for the parents and later, even for them! They have nothing to
alert them to physical danger and it requires a phenomenal amount
of conciousness from the parents to help them survive their childhood!
The idiots who live in Miami and refuse to
prepare when there are hurricane watches and warnings are just
fools! They have no fear because they have no conciousness of
what could happen. Those who lived through Hurricane Andrew know
better. Now those who had such an experience
and then live in terror of it happening again are suffering under
the "bad" aspect of fear, where fear becomes
a controlling factor in their lives and is debilitating.
Anger is a very good thing when we perceive
something is really wrong and will be causing pain (physical
or otherwise) to our Self-s or others' Self-s and we feel moved by this fear to take action. If we take
no action, though and stew around in our Anger, it will eat us
up, because we are not dealing with either the Fear or the Pain
and not being effective about whatever is causing the problem.
Sometimes we can't act because we are too young or too poor or
have something else in our Self-s or in our lives that prevents
us. Then, we have to sort of "eat it" and we can either
let it live as a cancer inside our bodies or our souls, or we
can remain concious about it and keep it like a weapon to wield
perhaps, in the Future. The difference, I think, is in the level
of conciousness that the person is able to achieve and maintain
with it.
Yes, the difference is in conciousness - learning
to wield our Pain as the Golden Torch of Truth, our Fear as the
Shield of Understanding and our Anger as the Sword of Justice!!
(YEAH!!! GO EOWYN!!! GO SOPHIE!! GO JEANNE
D'ARC!!!)
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From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 9:46 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil
Tarjei:
It's an ugly piece of dirty gossip about Rudolf Steiner that
should allegedly not be spoken of outside the immediate presence
of the author.
Steiner can handle it and to be splitting
peas still at this point is silly to me.
Catherine in my experience is an amazing human
being with a great wealth of spirit knowledge. Her work dares
to move herself and others forward. This piece, although I disagree
with her findings from my own thoughts of Steiner, I find she
delivered with honesty in how she percieved this relationship.
Now, why she picked this relationship I do not know although
I trust it was supposed to be exactly what it was. It has moved
many for and against and many a player had their cards shown
in how they responded to such a piece.
It doesn't strike me as dirty gossip as it
is there for all to see and draw their own conclusions if they
so wish. Karma seems to hit us in all the places we least expect
it I find. And that includes people on the internet as well as
those passed on.
Dottie
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From: holderlin66
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or
--- In [email protected],
golden3000997 wrote:
Nazi Germany was just a trial run - like
a mock jury trial, which is then analysed to see what works or
what might go wrong in the "real thing". Hitler was
a puppet, just as Bush. To believe that any of the people that
we see before us is "the one", the power-broker, is
to believe exactly what "THEY" want us to believe.
It is a distraction from the Reality - The Wizard of OZ hiding
the man behind the curtain. Only in our case, the man behind
the curtain is not a sweet, kindly, cowardly charlatan, but The
Evil One himself - or at least ONE of the EVIL ONES. We DON'T
want to open that curtain - Do We?? Noooooo! We don't want to
see. We want to pull the covers over our heads and hide from
the Darkness. We want to believe in the Wizard of OZ. He's scary,
but we can handle that. He's a horror movie scary. It's fun,
even, because we can tell ourselves he's not really real. But
behind the curtain? Oh no. We don't want to look, because if
we do, it will never go away, the house lights will not go back
up, we can't go home and laugh about it.
Bradford comments;
What am I gonna do with this pesky, Golden
- Dearest Golden, that was a mighty fine speech you guv. An somin
else. You got yourself a fine style a coherency, you and Tarjei
and that fellow who dropped that Emerson quote. Damn, a man's
heart could a melted in a puddle and bin mopped up and wrung
out and served up again in a beer mug. Mead of the Gods. Or it
could a been blown like a bellow into some hot air ballon and
floated itself like Icaraus into the sun.
There was dem purrdie poems a Golden's. That
is some fine talent you got under that lid a yours. What I especially
enjoyed, course, was the way Tarjei stamped out that god awful
expose on Steiner goin after anything in a skirt and trying to
hide his wild sexual appetite. Yup Steiner was a hell of a skirt
chaser, we all know that. He had so much time to do it to. Pity
we ain't all hangin out in the Spirit Self by now and doing the
work of Angels that Steiner was commisioned to do.
Loyalty and generosity of spirit, OR; as our
other friends accuse us of, blind following of dat dang blame
guru, obviously fogs up our distorted navigational compass when
it comes to following the maps of the Spirit. Now these damn
Maps that Joel is talking about is how to explore an unknown
country. An undiscovered Land. There are these damn Magellan
like maps and these damn faulty compasses and our distorted thinking,
warped from the beam of our own eyeballs. And I don't think nun
ah us denies that.
But we still, like stupid 49 er's, go off
half cocked into regions that ain't safe, dang ya... they ain't
safe! Ain't no gold out there, as Mulder says, "The Truth
ain't Out there" and that is certainly true. But all them
maps don't talk about Indiana, or Kalamazoo; or Jackson's Holler...They
talk about a Kingdom that Christ didn't really have time to elaborate
on while he was visiting us.
Ya know folks, I had the oddest thought...
So we see that apparently the target of Christ Descent was Humans...
But suppose it weren't humans. Suppose in His dive from the Sun,
while the Angels were shoutin' "pull up! pull up! Pull up!
and ya heard the whine of his engines before they crashed.. suppose
Gologotha wasn't ground zero. Suppose it was the Animals. Suppose
it was the Animal kingdom, OR the Plants?
If it was the Animals, then the animals would
be licking our hands, biting only bad guys and sniffing out evil
things, pissing on stupidity, hangin out together, croks used
as canoes, hippos as shower hoses, Panthers as footstools and
Elephants following lions around by their tails.
If Christ had made ground zero the plant kingdom,
think what perfume, Atlantean plant houses, grassy carpets for
our living rooms, and trees bending down, like when Buddha was
born, to give us shelter from the heat there would be. We'd all
be smoking joints and hemp would be the girlfriend to the Rose.
But Ground Zero was humanity. Christ crash
landed with the FAther's enormous mega fission implosion of the
interior I AM of Jesus, steamin', smokin with new solar blood
splashed all over the place. His squishy body, so spiritualized,
Jesus became a new definition of Ricketts. Soft boned, Throne
and Seraphim stamped and attempting to walk up the steep slope
of Golgotha with hardly a skeletal leg to stand on.
Christ came out of the dive in the human kingdom
and invested his potent Sun Blaring, raw Love, in the INtelligence
of Paul. In the Will of Lazarus. Now this record goes out to
Joel who claims that he ain't never heard Lazarus sing. So how
does he know how to dance to a tune nobody never heard? Reminds
me of Eugene O'Neill in "Lazarous Laughed". HOw did
Eugene O'Neill know it was Lazarus that laughed?
Yup, Joel, nobody got no maps. Certainly nobody
got the compasses that was passed out when we was made by the
divine. The idea is to learn to read your own faulty compass,
like a navigator and still adjust to find your way to "The
Undiscovered Country". If ya know your compass is got a
lean or behaves badly in humid weather, well you can adjust it,
adjust for it can't ya?
According to the legend, I wasn't there ya
know, this Christ dude said he lived in another country. It weren't
the one we was from, but it was apparently a cool country...He
said he had Legions of Angelic host who could really come down
and get pissed off at us if he gave 'em the nod.
Oh ya, it was discussed, Pilate kinda wanted
to know if he was some kind a King. He sure acted like a damn
King.. I mean Pilate was used to feeling power in his gut and
etheric strength in torture and criminals, or the manliness and
courage of the Roman Legion. Well apparently Pilate thought that
Jesus had that same etheric solidity. Was it merely the Phantom
SPirit, crafted by the Thrones that was holding him upright so
he wouldn't melt in puddle? Is that what Pilate felt? I wasn't
there, I don't know.
Well, we'll never know. Why? Because Joel
says the only way to get to his country, or kingdom is by following
the nasty Gollum. He may have a point. I hear Gollum flunked
the twelve step program but if we loved our own gollums we would
certainly find our way to mount doom.
Wait a minute, that is another country that
don't exist. First we got this Jesus fellow tellin us about some
country we ain't got no maps to and now we get these maps from
Tolkien and where do they lead, nowhere I bin. So what are all
these home videos, caught on tape, really showing? Ya, betcha
never thought about that did ya? Somebody is smokin hemp here?
Lucifer of the Plant Kings.
Well I ain't never been on the Moon, but they
tell me that Astronauts was up there. I saw the pictures. We
all know Nasa wouldn't lie about pictures. Pictures don't lie.
So where is this dog-gone country that everyone is talking bout?
Tolkien said it was Out there... The Truth Is Out There"
and we got the maps to prove it and the Gulliver's Travels, Jonathon
Swift testimony out a National geographic, so it must be that
this Mount Doom place exists.
Gollum, we think exists but it was another
map guy, Zanoni Bullshit Lytton who first brought word out that
there was something swarmy screwing around.. and then there was
the recent fellow, the math guy, John Nash... he thought he had
a gollum following him all over the place. I say, I say, as Joel
says, we need our gollums to go to Mount Doom for us.
So Christ made ground zero the human community
on Golgotha's hill. The place of empty skulls and staring eyes.
We don't got no pictures but Gore Vidal visited there, in "Live
from Golgotha". He was able to get the footage. News at
11. "Live from Golgotha". Yep. Man should not stop
at Rivendell or Elf sanctuaries according to Joel, give the damn
ring to Gollum and let him toss it in. Because we is all ring
bearers.
But Christ chose humanity to help him lift
all the creatures of the Earth, to tame the shadow, to nurture
the withered soil, to deliver compassion and the law to the animal
kingdom. Christ chose humanity to infect and spread his kingdom....through
humanity.. by humanity and for the glory of Christ and humanity.
OOPs there goes Ahriman's, "What a wonderful Day in the
neighborhood" No, no, don't tell me Mr. Rogers was Jesus.
Christ offered freedom for humanity to reveal
that creation, matter and all the lower kingdoms belong to the
Father. Now mind you we ain't got no postcards as to where this
father lives. We think it is a wise old man, stern sometimes,
with a rap sheet on each of us, sitting on a throne amongst the
clouds... thats what we think...So for all we know Christ was
making it up. I never heard him talking to himself in the desert..
Hey Gore, you got that on tape? Imagine those tapes for Watergate
and Impreachment of Nixon/Ahriman.
Fact this whole pile a bullshit is based on
what? Rumor and mischief, just like the Gold Rush. Why squander
our peaceful lives in search of El Dorado? So basically we got
no proof. We got faulty compasses that don't point due north.
The magnetic poles is changed, according to Joel and the only
critter that can get us to mount doom, a stinky hole in the ass
of the world, is gollum.
Go figure...I am still obsessed with those
damn maps. I know I can find gold there and I'll be rich. I know
it. I think I saw it right off highway 35, back in the hills
next to an Indian reservation. There's got to be a hidden door,
a secret door... and poof, there it will be, El Dorado and a
guy with a long beard. Arrows like in Mash pointing, Mount Doom
666 miles; Lazarus summer cottage 9 miles due east; YOU ARE HERE
X.
Bradford
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From: Steinerhead
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 10:55 am
Subject: Spiritual Threads
In a message dated 1/10/04 9:49:29 AM Tarjei
wrote, quoting RS:
Only souls who here on
earth have already been completely permeated by a certain relationship
to the spiritual world pass through the portal of death in such
a way that they can be received in the right way in the spiritual
world. They will be carried away from the earthly sphere in such
a way that they can spin threads to those remaining behind, threads
that are continually being spun. We must be clear about this:
the spiritual threads between the souls of the dead and those
of us who are bound to them are not ruptured by death; they remain,
are even closer, after death than they were here on earth. What
I have said must be accepted as a serious, significant truth.
This is excellent stuff Tarjei, Thanks. It
really adds understanding to my "fundamental urge for Knowledge"
about the our most influential Human beings throughout recorded
history. What is it about Lincoln, Mozart, Rembrandt, Goethe,
Franklin and many others that so inspires me? Is it something
that I might have in common with them all? I think so. No...
I'd have to say that I KNOW so. Because for me these "spiritual
threads" are not just present in the legacies that are left
behind. They have been present in actual experiences in my life:
This past summer I read Fawn Brodie's biography
about T. Jefferson. I couldn't put the thing down. I so much
fell in love with this passionate, reclusive, incredibly intelligent,
yet obviously flawed human being.
At about that same time, my wife and I were
seeing a counselor who is quite versed in the ways of C. G. Jung.
So he asked us to pay attention to our dream life, and bring
any that seemed significant to the sessions. That week I had
a semi Lucid dream experience where I was having intimate, and
profound discussions with Jefferson and others like him. Sort
of Like a counsel of Elder statesmen (I'm getting Goose-bumps
writing about it right now).
When I shared the experience with our counselor,
His eyes widened and he nodded and said: "Ah... The writer
of the Declaration of independence..."
Needless to say that being independent, and
staying married, is not an easy task. But I am happy to report
that, after six months of separation, my wife and I have reconciled,
and I am moving back in with her and my two wonderful children
this weekend.
Gotta Love those spiritual threads.
Truth and love
Mike
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 11:00 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Spiritual Threads
You Go MIKE~!
Can't run away from Karma you know!!! But
you can be Free and In Love at the same time!!! Blessings and
Best wishes!!!
: ) Christine
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sat Jan 10, 2004 1:00 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Spiritual Threads
Mike, you wrote:
Needless to say that being independent,
and staying married, is not an easy task. But I am happy to report
that, after six months of separation, my wife and I have reconciled,
and I am moving back in with her and my two wonderful children
this weekend.
Congratulations, Mike! Many people fall in
love and get married, and many people get divorced and find new
partners, but there are few - too few - who have the will and
determination to repair relationships on the brink of disaster
instead of choosing the easy way out. Again, congratulations
and well done!
Tarjei
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From: Jo Ann Schwartz
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:20 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil
--- Christine wrote:
About speaking the Truth - when I was younger
I used to listen to lectures, discussions, etc. with my elders
and betters and I really tried to keep my mouth shut, but I often
had a completely physical experience of words rising up within
me until I felt a burning and trembling sensation and I always
blurted out what those words were. Sometimes they shocked people
- sometimes in a good way, sometimes in a not so good way. Most
of the time, I didn't even know that I knew the words I spoke
or what it was I was saying!
[snip]
I was shaking afterward. I had other times
similar, but that was the most powerful. I don't know if it was
prophecy or what. I am not spiritually gifted and don't really
want to be. But I think I know what Matthew means, and that passage
about not being concerned what you are going to say when you
go to trial, that is very real to me. The words will be given,
we will be a Vessel for the Truth if we allow our Self to be.
It's OK to tell me I'm just nuts - I already
know that! : )
Hi Christine,
I don't think you're nuts! <G> What
you describe -- even the trembling -- is fairly well known to
those who attend silent meeting with the Religious Society of
Friends (aka, Quakers). Friends believe that God is capable of
speaking through any one of us, if only we will wait upon Him.
Of course, other spiritual entities may also speak through us
-- thus the value of silent meeting and community; it gives us
feedback.
Quietly,
JoAnn
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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 9:03 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or
Dear Bradford,
Well you tried to make some fun of the problem
about maps, but made no sense in spite of all your "cleverness".
I urge you to be careful not to confuse "cleverness"
for either intelligence or wisdom.
Anthroposophy is also called by Steiner, Spiritual
Science. According to legend, his mentor (the herbalist) offered
to Steiner the choice of creating either a science or a philosophy,
and Steiner, following on the spirit of the Age, sought to create
a science.
This means that he attempted to approach the
inward journey in such a way that what was described avoided
the pitfalls of a kind of ecstatic mysticism, but rather spoke
with clarity and exactness about our life of soul and spirit.
With this in mind he spoke of percepts and concepts, of mental
representations, of antipathy and sympathy, of the necessary
given, of experience and thought, of moral imagination, of the
double, and of the lesser and greater guardians of the threshold
(to name just a few of the precise conceptual frames of reference
he provided).
The whole effort was directed at giving us
a vocabulary (a map) to the inner territory, so that we can travel
there together, and speak to each other about this landscape
in a scientific and objective fashion, without the previous individualized
subjectivity of mystical experience.
He was also trying to provide a map of a territory
that was new. Prior to our current age, the cognitive capacities
toward which he pointed, and in particular, the possibilities
that come from the existence of the potential for moral imagination,
did not exist in human consciousness. Thinking did not previously
have the qualities that it now has, and it was part of his work
to unveil to us this new potential in all its spiritual grace.
I use the term grace because Steiner didn't invent this reality,
Christ and the Father did, while Steiner only describes it.
You can denigrate this effort by trying to
poke fun at it, but what he taught remains quite clear to those
who have traveled in the same places. The language works, and
it describes exactly what can be found in our inwardness in a
precise and objective fashion. The problem for a lot of folks,
who haven't yet been able to make the journey, is that when circumstances
require that they be able to speak from experience about this
journey, they can't do it, because all they really know is the
map, and the territory is a place they have yet to go.
To true travelers in this territory, those
who are able to speak of it from experience, can be easily "discerned"
(to borrow a favorite word of Christine's) from those to whom
the territory is known only by rumor.
There is nothing "wrong" with those
who only know the rumor, although I will continue to insist that
these cannot call what they do spiritual science, or hold themselves
out to the world as anthroposophists.
The fundamental difficulty within the Anthroposophical
Society and Movement in this regard, for most of us in the present,
is that our assumed Elders, who themselves failed to make this
journey in most cases, have not properly modeled for us the social
effects that ought to exist when the knowledge this journey can
unfold, becomes a living presence in our groups, discussion lists,
and branches.
At the end of the 20th century, instead of
a living anthroposophy, we were introduced to a communal delusion,
while all around us the reality lay there as a rotting corpse.
Instead of social health, and the new mysteries, we have disease
and decay and are urged to accept this as living spiritual presence.
Even so, the journey still remains there to
be taken. All we have to do is look within and use the maps provided
(the precise and exact descriptions of the inner world provided
in the epistemological works) as the guide to what lies yet unawakened
in our own souls. Many have done a lot of very worthy preliminary
work, but until we come to the deepest self knowledge, the world
outside will remain invisible to us, blocked from view by the
beam.
This way of the beam then leads to accusations
of evil placed upon all manner of others (the Thou) in a quite
unjustified fashion. But once we have faced our own shadow, then
the motes around us are reduced to an appropriate size, and we
have no need to look at serial killers, or child abusers, or
ambitious politicians as anything but human beings, who like
us are living their karma, and whose own I-ams are held in that
necessary embrace of the doubles. Then we have, as William Irwin
Thompson pointed out, compassion (we see they are no different
than we are), after which we can learn love.
In the weaving of compassion and love we combine
both Buddhism and Christianity into one in our own souls, and
then begin to take our place as individuals in the great work
which is the creation of a new civilization out of the ruin and
debris of the old.
some other poetry, from the Moody Blues album:
A question of Balance;
song: The Balance
After he had journeyed,
And his feet were sore,
And he was tired,
He came upon an orange grove
And he rested.
And he lay in the cool,
And while he rested, he took unto himself an orange and tasted
it,
And it was good.
And he felt the earth to his spine,
And he asked, and he saw the tree above him, and the stars,
And the veins in the leaf
And the light, and the balance,
And he saw magnificent perfection,
Whereon he thought of himself in balance,
And he knew he was.
Just open your eyes,
And realise, the way it's always been.
Just open your mind
And you will find
The way it's always been.
Just open your heart,
And that's a start.
And he thought of those he angered,
For he was not a violent man,
And he thought of those he hurt,
For he was not a cruel man
And he thought of those he frightened
For he was not an evil man,
And he understood.
He understood himself.
Upon this he saw that when he was of anger or knew hurt or felt
fear,
It was because he was not understanding,
And he learned compassion.
And with his eye of compassion
He saw his enemies like unto himself,
And he learned love.
Then, he was answered.
Just open your eyes,
And realise, the way it's always been.
Just open your mind
And you will find
The way it's always been.
Just open your heart,
And that's a start.
warm regards,
joel
On Sat, 2004-01-10 at 18:47, holderlin66 wrote:
--- In [email protected],
golden3000997@c... wrote:
Nazi Germany was just a trial run - like a mock jury trial, which
is then analysed to see what works or what might go wrong in
the "real thing". Hitler was a puppet, just as Bush.
To believe that any of the people that we see before us is "the
one", the power-broker, is to believe exactly what "THEY"
want us to believe.
--
Joel Wendt
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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 11:15 am
Subject: Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or
--- In [email protected],
Joel Wendt wrote:
First of all Joel!
Your poem, song, was a very high Goethean
example of what you were trying to express. Nice work on that.
You know or at least in your memory file somewhere might be how
much I have connected to some of the Moody Blues. Knights in
White Satin, (which by the way, the song you quoted was exquisite)
Knights in White Satin is a song that Tara and I have adopted
as one of our 'mutual sanctuary' we just met, favorite songs.
As an aside, why do I think I am going to
the woodshed or to the principals office every time I see that,
response in brackets [!] warm regards, love Joel. Mind you, since
I have mutual respect for your age, and your intense efforts
at inner work, I cut you a lot of slack. Some of it even deserved.
Now to the material at hand.
Joel wrote;
The fundamental difficulty within the Anthroposophical
Society and Movement in this regard, for most of us in the present,
is that our assumed Elders, who themselves failed to make this
journey in most cases, have not properly modeled for us the social
effects that ought to exist when the knowledge this journey can
unfold, becomes a living presence in our groups, discussion lists,
and branches.
At the end of the 20th century, instead
of a living anthroposophy, we were introduced to a communal delusion,
while all around us the reality lay there as a rotting corpse.
Instead of social health, and the new mysteries, we have disease
and decay and are urged to accept this as living spiritual presence.
Bradford comments;
Well I managed to stay clear of most of the
wrecking balls and have had to suffer like everyone else the
astonishement that what Steiner gave was attacked even from within.
But my sense of finding and elaborating the gold mine I waited
several incarnations to encounter and my own ripening forces,
in my Jupiter Period, find wisdom in every scrap of not only
Steiner's unexplored work, but the path to overcome some of the
old bickering that nearly destroyed the Society. It is due in
large part to Sune and Mellett and Tarjei and you that I am assured
that the wide ranging Michael School is spread out over the world.
The last thing we need is constant bickering and somebody fixated
on the shadow. YOu want the Shadow, You know I can unfold massive
insights, just like you into the nature of my own shadow. You
will reflect that my tone, even with your constant belittling
is usually brotherly. I do have a sense of humor.
This isn't some EST interrogation of Initiation
that if we pass your inspection, we can now serve society. I
know where of I speak that Gollum was represented as the shadow
double that was attached, the same way you have described, or
the Song has indicated, as a concept directly related to our
Double. Nay more, as an Imagination. We know where of we speak
on this issue. Gandalf certainly revealed a larger vision of
the whole and certainly that is only one piece of the mighty
puzzle of scattered pieces of the Greater BAU.
There is much to explore. Even on the double
I can't see that you hold an objective eye on your own. There
is a lot of layered stuff there that I let you have. So What.
Our job is to adjust our compasses to our weaknesses and transform
them along the way. But that should not hinder us from the mighty
unfolding of Exploration of the unknown country.
Joel Wrote;
You can denigrate this effort by trying
to poke fun at it, but what he taught remains quite clear to
those who have traveled in the same places. The language works,
and it describes exactly what can be found in our inwardness
in a precise and objective fashion. The problem for a lot of
folks, who haven't yet been able to make the journey, is that
when circumstances require that they be able to speak from experience
about this journey, they can't do it, because all they really
know is the map, and the territory is a place they have yet to
go.
Bradford continues;
Language and transforming, investigating and
raising our current removed generation into the realm of Spiritual
Science requires that we feel, speak and think in our Age as
Well. I happen to love your song on the Moody Blues. You know
and Tarjei knows and certainly Golden knows that we need to carry,
introduce and transform the language of perception and concept
into the current running riddles of our TIME. You have proven
that you have such an Eye.
But now to the kicker that I have heard running
under this indulgence with you for some time. The kicker is learning
to develop Eyes to See and EArs to Hear. Eyes to See and ears
to hear. When I walk into a classroom I see the temperaments
before me in each child. I'm good at it. But obviously I am not
seeing anything. What tangible proof do I have that I am accurately
seeing. Well I know I am seeing it. But here opens the whole
can of worms of Eyes to See and Ears to hear. Do we hear the
sincerity of a person? Do we hear the pulse of our age and the
intimate realities that interface with the Christ Being? Do we
see what is attempted in our culture to penetrate these mysteries?
If we do, just exactly what are we seeing and hearing? We are
hearing and seeing an intangible Spiritual Country, the first
glimpses and the first little wisps of something that is as obvious
to me as the temperament structure of each child.
In a parent meeting I drew a circle and colored
in a measure of mix for each child in the class. A circle and
say, Yellow for Sanguine in the mix; Blue for Meloncholoic in
the mix; Red for Choleric in the mix; Green for phlegmatic in
the mix; Every one has all of these etheric contributions in
them and it is clear that to See this is not easy. It requires
a new language. I tried color. I tried a circle for each child.
I tried to show the color of predomination and the supporting
colors and describe the substructe of each child with all four
colors in there somewhere. Blah, Blah, Blah for me.
We certainly have something to measure ourselves
by, but we also must contend with Seeing and Hearing and if,
lets say, Rush Limbaugh is seeing and hearing correctly. I don't
always, and rarely need you to tell me if I am seeing, DISCERNING
CORRECTLY. Thank heavens you don't do that with me. Therefore
I can certianly see and have seen and know very well what some
of your path of character development and Seeing has brought
you. I understand your Buddhism... Let say, I leap to Mr. Rogers
and say, my didn't he have a therapeutic quality of a kind of
modern zen buddhism for children?
What is needed IMO - IMO - is that we gain
insights and flashes from each others paths, and discoveries,
that includes you and we contribute references to the mighty
Cosmic BAU, the relic, the dig site of the battle of scene of
the shattered and destroyed Bau. We can say, Here a great work
was done. AThens arose for a brief time here. But look, here
the invading hordes tore up and attempted to shatter the mighty
Bau. Here the marker of a researcher and hero, lets say Popplebaum
or Schad...Man and Animal.. look what this explorer tried to
do. Maybe we continue their exploration, maybe we add to it.
But the fact is that a mighty BAU was once on this hill we call
the Hill of Thorns. Dornach was not named the Hill of Thorns
for nothing.
Why is Dornach the Hill of Thorns. Now let
us observe a mystery that has hardly ever been explored. That
Crown of Thorns Christ Wore, hundreds of agonized and failed
spikes, born from the Mars antipathy to produce the flowering
Rose. Up the hill strides Dr. STeiner Every day. HIs thinking
is penetrating but must encounter the pressing in of massive
Thorns, where materialism is not going to give him any conceptual
relief. He presses, he kicks against the Thorns. Now let really
land a big one... Paul
At midday, O king, I saw in
the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun,
shining round about me and them which journeyed with me. And
when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking
unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest
thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. And
I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou
persecutest. But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared
unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness
both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things
in the which I will appear unto thee; (Acts
26:13-16)
IT WAS THE DEAD GUY
And these are they which are
sown among thorns; such as hear the word, And the cares of this
world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other
things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful. (Mark 4:18-19)
And he taught them many things
by parables, and said unto them in his doctrine, Hearken; Behold,
there went out a sower to sow: And it came to pass, as he sowed,
some fell by the way side, and the fowls of the air came and
devoured it up. And some fell on stony ground, where it had not
much earth; and immediately it sprang up, because it had no depth
of earth: But when the sun was up, it was scorched; and because
it had no root, it withered away. And some fell among thorns,
and the thorns grew up, and choked it, and it yielded no fruit.
And other fell on good ground, and did yield fruit that sprang
up and increased; and brought forth, some thirty, and some sixty,
and some an hundred. (Mark 4:2-8)
Bradford concludes;
Yep, I agree with your observation Joel that
Materialism is in our bones and we are bad and unworthy of Grace.
We are failures, but I remember this Bau and the battles still
fought, I remember the attempt by humanity to connect AThens
to the throne of Freedom. I remember that Christ and Jesus had
an Astral body. Besides this, like you, I am learning to SEE
and Hear with new eyes and ears, things that are just not there.
They aren't there, they are qualities and soul vision. It is
also a Science of knowing what you See, in the physical nature
of reality, Goetheanistically and also the moral landscape out
of which these things arise. Materialism is indeed in our bones.
I had Ricketts when I was a child.
You are a grown up human being. You are someone
who has honored Dr. Steiner, therefore I listen to what you see
and what you hear, to see if I can also see what you see. Do
you not see that Gollum is a cultural paradigm of the double?
Okay, do I see the catastrophe and the bickering and wrangling
over the bones of Dr. Steiner within the society and the failure
to use KOHW introspection enough to survive the full blown attack
against Spiritual Science started on Feb 27, 1933 with burning
of the Reischtag? You do the math and I'll watch my double.
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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:54 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or
[Joel wrote:]
The fundamental difficulty within the Anthroposophical
Society and Movement in this regard, for most of us in the present,
is that our assumed Elders, who themselves failed to make this
journey in most cases, have not properly modeled for us the social
effects that ought to exist when the knowledge this journey can
unfold, becomes a living presence in our groups, discussion lists,
and branches.
Joel,
I hate to say it, but if, as you imply, you are a model for the
social effects of one who has completed the journey, and all
the "Elders" in the AS were so constituted, I would
probably leave the AS rather quickly. You have a part of the
truth, but not the way. I suggest you study the deeds of Buddha,
Christ and Steiner and investigate the nature and role of compassion
in spiritual development. In the Christian esoteric path in is
signified by the stage of the Washing of the Feet. For my part,
I will take your advice and go over POF again and try to integrate
it more fully into my life, and continue to wrestle with my own
double.
Daniel Hindes
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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or
[Joel wrote:]
Anthroposophy is also called by Steiner,
Spiritual Science. According to legend, his mentor (the herbalist)
offered to Steiner the choice of creating either a science or
a philosophy, and Steiner, following on the spirit of the Age,
sought to create a science.
This is an interesting legend. Any idea of
the source?
Daniel
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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 5:22 pm
Subject: Nature Mystic
--- In [email protected],
Daniel Hindes wrote:
This is an interesting legend. Any idea
of the source?
Daniel
Ah Felix Balde;
Steiner:
"It then chanced that
I became acquainted with a simple man of the plain people. Every
week he went to Vienna by the same train that I took. He gathered
medicinal plants in the country and sold them to apothecaries
in Vienna. We became friends. With him it was possible to talk
about the spiritual world as with one who had his own experience
therein. He was a personality of inner piety. He was quite without
schooling. He had read very many mystical books, but what he
said was not at all influenced by this reading. It was the outflowing
of a spiritual life which was marked by its own quite elementary
creative wisdom. It was easy to perceive that he read these books
only because he wished to find in others what he knew for himself.
He revealed himself as if he, as a personality, were only the
mouthpiece for a spiritual content which desired to utter itself
out of hidden fountains. When one was with him one could get
a glimpse deep into the secrets of nature. He carried on his
back his bundle of medicinal plants; but in his heart he bore
results which he had won from the spirituality of nature in the
gathering of these herbs. I have seen many a man smile who now
and then chanced to make a third party while I walked through
the streets of Vienna with this "initiate." No wonder;
for his manner of expression was not to be understood at once.
One had first in a certain sense to learn his spiritual dialect.
To me also it was at first unintelligible. But from our first
acquaintance I was in the deepest sympathy with him. And so I
gradually came to feel as if I were in company with a soul of
the most ancient times who – quite unaffected by the civilization,
science, and general conceptions of the present age – brought
to me an instinctive knowledge of earlier eras.
According to the usual conception
of "learning," one might say that it would be impossible
to "learn" anything from this man. But, if one possessed
in oneself a perception of the spiritual world, one might obtain
glimpses very deep into this world through another who had a
firm footing there. Moreover, anything of the nature of mere
dreams was utterly foreign to this personality. When one entered
his home, one was in the midst of the most sober and simplest
family of country folk. Above the entrance to his home were the
words: "With the blessing of God, all things are good."
One was entertained just as by other village people. I always
had to drink coffee there, not from a cup, but from a porridge
bowl(11) which held nearly a litre; with this I had to eat a
piece of bread of enormous dimensions. Nor did the villagers
by any means look upon the man as a dreamer. There was no occasion
for jesting at his behaviour in his village. Besides, he possessed
a sound, wholesome humour, and knew how to chat, whenever he
met with young or old of the village folk, in such fashion that
the people liked to hear him talk. There was no one who smiled
like those persons that watched him and me going together through
the streets of Vienna, and these persons simply perceived in
him some thing quite foreign to themselves.
This man always continued
to be, even after life had taken me again far away from him,
very close to me in soul. He appears in my mystery plays in the
person of Felix Balde."
Bradford comments;
Nature Mystic, well grounded, Puppen Theatre,
in Dornach was the place, just before rising up the hill to THE
BIG HOUSE, where there was a little wood heated, wooden Puppen
Saal or little theatre. It was here where I did some of my speech
Training with the English Speaking Drama group. Proskower used
to give his Goethean color lectures in the little hall. Proskower
was a wonderful white haired eccentric, somewhat, well exactly
like the character who played the Wizard of OZ in the film. That
was exactly what Herr Proskower was like.
He also was a regular on the Hill, playing
to sold out houses in the Mystery Dramas as Ferdinand the Fox
I think. But, sorry, I went off on a tangent, how odd, I so rarely
do that! I think someone has it, the actual research on the name
of this mystic that STeiner touched base with. Shared and confirmed
vision into still living nature, the elemental kingdoms and tested
Plant virtues and insights were a wonderful relief to the boy
Steiner. Because this Nature Mystic was like meeting Paracelsus.
Paracelsus would be honored in "Man as Symphony" and
Steiner's medical work.
Paracelsus or Auroleus Phillipus Theostratus
Bombastus von Hohenheim. He was worshipped as their noble and
beloved alchemical monarch, the "German Hermes." He
died in 1541, after a short sickness, in a small room at the
White Horse Inn, and his body was buried in the graveyard of
St. Sebastian.
Bradford comments;
Oh for the Lord of the Rings meeting at the
"Prancing Pony" or Longfellow's "Tales of the
Wayside Inn" and the anti-Ahrimanic medical school of higher
insights into the gnome, sylph, undine and salamadar and various
good and bad elemental beings of nature. Oh for the Nature Mystic
with such rich lore to offer Steiner a Thread to what a person
would be like, clairvoyant in a natural sense, who, like Steiner,
could see into the Elemental kingdoms...and as the 19th century
impacted with its Ahrimanic Sciences, the last lone nature mystic
and Steiner crossed paths. Steiner agony on how to bridge the
Organic Spiritual Sciences with the mechanistic material sciences
must have been a lonely question that afforded some solace in
his meeting with this Carpathian mystic. I think there is a Carpathian
connection here...which comes up to a White Brotherhood rumor...
http://users.cwnet.com/season/files/elementals.htm
"For nothing exists that
remains concealed and is not revealed. Everything must come out,
creature, nature, spirit, evil and good, outside and inside,
and all arts, and all doctrines, teachings and what has been
created. Sometimes, such things become apparent only insofar
as they are preserved in the memory of the people."
- Paracelsus [Tractus III:
On Nymphs, Sylphs, Pygmies...]
While the cohesive doctrine
of the 4 elements was originated in the 5th century BCE of ancient
Greece by Empedocles, the attribution of living beings to these
elements reached it's synthesis in the writings of Paracelsus
in around 1500 CE. Paracelsus (Theophrastus Philippus Aureolus
Bombastus von Hohenheim) was a Catholic heretic, hermetic doctor
and alchemist who like his contemporary Cornelius Agrippa, was
likely a student of the famous occultist John Trithemius, Abbot
of Saint James.
Paracelsus' thesis on the
elemental beings was an outgrowth of his scientific and theological
discussions which attempted to account for the folklore of nature
spirits that abounded in every land in the then known world.
Since the Bible made basically no mention of nature spirits,
it seemed only natural to Paracelsus that they represented yet
another unrevealed facet of the Almighty's manifest creation.
Rather than demonise them off-handed as had been done by the
Church fathers, he instead sought out diverse accounts of these
beings and attempted to analyse them in a scientific and religious
context. For Paracelsus there were two books which held absolute
authority in the world, the Bible and Nature. He imagined it
was his duty as a scientist, philosopher, and theologian to devote
his study to the as yet unwritten authority of nature, but also
to do so faithfully in light of Biblical teachings.
Presumably at an early stage
in his career Paracelsus wrote his treatise devoted entirely
to the hypothetical nature of the elemental beings. Aptly it
was titled "On Nymphs, Sylphs, Pygmies, and Salamanders,
and on the other Spirits". In his introduction to this work
he ascribes a three fold nature to man: body, soul and spirit."
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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Mon Jan 12, 2004 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: The Evil That Men Allow/Or
[Joel wrote:]
To true travelers in this territory, those
who are able to speak of it from experience, can be easily "discerned"
(to borrow a favorite word of Christine's) from those to whom
the territory is known only by rumor.
There is nothing "wrong" with
those who only know the rumor, although I will continue to insist
that these cannot call what they do spiritual science, or hold
themselves out to the world as anthroposophists.
You realize, of course, that phrasing things
like this is an implicit claim to having walked the path, arrived
at the territory and achieved the ability to discern those who
speak from experiece of it from those who only know it by rumor.
If this is not your claim, then you might want to alter your
tone. If it is indeed your claim, then I must ask how you know
so well exactly what territory you have arrived at? Is it possible
that you are somewhere slightly different from where you think
you are? What measures have you taken to ensure that no error
has entered your thinking? Judging from your words, you appear
to be in a somewhat different territory than many who speak of
the journey to the territory Steiner mapped. I hope that you
will pardon my extreme directness. It seemed called for given
what you have written.
Daniel Hindes
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 7:58 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil
At 00:20 13.01.2004, JoAnn wrote (to Christine):
I don't think you're nuts! <G> What
you describe -- even the trembling -- is fairly well known to
those who attend silent meeting with the Religious Society of
Friends (aka, Quakers). Friends believe that God is capable of
speaking through any one of us, if only we will wait upon Him.
Of course, other spiritual entities may also speak through us
-- thus the value of silent meeting and community; it gives us
feedback.
The Quakers represent one of the finest and
most interesting aspects of Christianity in the West, and its
influence has, I think, contributed to paving the way for the
Michaelic Age.
Tarjei
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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 5:27 pm
Subject: The Mystery of Evil
In light of our recent discussions, I found
this interesting:
"Within this whole stream,
the initiation of Mani, who also initiated Christian Rosencreutz
in 1459, is considered to be of a 'higher degree'; it consists
of the true understanding of the nature of the evil. This initiation
and all that it entails will have to remain completely hidden
for the majority for a long time to come. For where even only
a tiny ray of its light has flowed into literature it has caused
great harm, as happened with the irreproachable Guyau, of whom
Friedrich Nietzsche became a pupil."
Rudolf Steiner, written for Eduard Shure in
Barr, Alsac, September 1907
Cited from:
Rudolf Steiner and Marie Steiner. Correspondence and Documents:
1901-1925.
New York: Rudolf Steiner Press, 1988. Page 16.
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:05 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil
[Daniel quoted RS:]
the irreproachable Guyau,
Don't know who this is. Can you shed any light?
Thanks!
Christine
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From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 12:02 am
Subject: U.S. War Crimes/ Exhibit A
Now you had a chance to sober up. You may
think we talk about depleted uranium and etheric bodies murdered
for no reason as some sort of new age nonsense. It is not out
of some sloppy liberal silliness, rather, it is time you look
directly into the insanity. This is our world and it ain't just
words your reading, your reading the insights into the Spirit
of our Age.
If you are squeamish, do not view this actual
video shot. It is a thermal heat signature, this is not a movie,
a fake, it is the real mccoy and the people shot dead in this
recent film where merely doing farming at night. At night, out
in the open. Blood, heat, warmth and the thermal signature of
the human I AM. What do you think we are talking about on this
list? Just click to below and look for where the Apache helicopter
video can be fed into your computer.
http://www.journalism.co.uk/news/story795.shtml
Comments:
"I agree with the readers who wrote in
suggesting that the vehicle on the left is a tractor and that
the Apache just blew away some farmers. I'm a farm kid myself,
and there is no question that the men were involved in some kind
of agricultural activity, most likely ploughing. This is cold
blooded murder and this video records a war crime.
Certainly the video makes it clear that the
Apache was not engaged in evasive flight indicating that it was
under any kind of a threat. Make local copies of this video.
Put them on CD-ROMS. Hand them out. The US Government is desperate
to explain this away.
One individual wrote in to claim that since
the video is dark, it must be night and since farmers don't plough
their fields at night, they deserved to be killed. However, as
the display in the video itself confirms, this is an infrared
thermograph, which shows emitted heat (bodies, engines, shrapnel)
as white over a dark background. One thing is clear from the
body language of the people. They were clearly unconcerned about
the helicopter until it opened fire, which means they did not
think they were doing anything that the helicopter would see
as a threat.
I don't think there is anything that illustrates
how low the US military has sunk than this video.
UPDATE: excuses continue to pour in from people
I have never heard from before trying to explain away the video.
The scene was at night (do the people in the video look like
they are having trouble seeing as they move back and forth?),
they didn't know the chopper was there therefore they would not
act guilty after shooting at the helicopter (I'm not kidding,
someone actually sent that in). One person suggested tha Iraqis
would shoot at the helocopter then quickly try to hide among
the crowd. The fact that these men are all in an open field with
nowhere TO hide seems not to have registered with the apologists.
But I wish to add one final comment to this
discussion (which will then move onto its own permanent dedicated
page).
From The Geneva Convention 3-1: 1. Persons
taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of
armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors
de combat by sickness, wounds, detention, or any other cause,
shall in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse
distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex,
birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria
The very FIRST person gunned down was the
person who had been driving the tractor."
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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:17 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil
The footnote says:
Jean Marie Guyau (1854-1888)
French poet and philosopher. Esquisse d'une morale sans obligation
ni sanction, Paris 1884. Cf. Rudolf Steiner, An Autobiography,
Chapter XVIII.
----- Original Message -----
From: golden3000997
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] The Mystery of Evil
[Daniel quoted RS:]
the irreproachable Guyau,
Don't know who this is. Can you shed any
light?
Thanks!
Christine
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