Jeanne d'Arc
From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:35 am
Subject: Jeanne d'Arc
http://www.stjoan-center.com/quotable/
My choice of excerpts from the above web page:
JOAN AT LOCHES
"I shall last a year and a little more."
" 'Daughter of God, go
on, go on, go on! I will be your help. Go on!' When I hear this
voice, I feel such great joy that I wish I could always hear
it!"
JOAN'S REPLIES TO THE ECCLESIASTICAL
JUDGES OF ROUEN
"I came from God. There
is nothing more for me to do here! Send me back to God, from
Whom I came!"
Asked if she was in God's
grace: "If I am not, may God put me there, and if I am,
may God so keep me! I should be the saddest creature in the world
if I knew I was not in His grace."
Joan's warning to Bishop Cauchon:
"You say that you are my judge. I do not know if you are!
But I tell you that you must take good care not to judge me wrongly,
because you will put yourself in great danger. I warn you, so
that if God punishes you for it, I would have done my duty by
telling you!"
"Ha! You take great care
to put down in your trial everything that is against me, but
you will not write down anything that is for me!"
Asked why she refused to do
woman's work: "There are plenty of other women to do it."
Joan's reply to the threat
of torture: "Truly, if you were to tear me limb from limb
and separate my soul from my body, I would not say anything more.
If I did say anything, afterwards I would always declare that
you made me say it by force!"
"And if I were condemned
and brought to the place of judgment and I saw the torch lit
and the faggots ready, and the executioner ready to kindle the
fire, and if I were within the fire, yet I would say nothing
else and I would maintain unto death what I have said in this
trial!"
"Through His Saints,
God informed me of His great sorrow for the treason that I had
committed by signing the abjuration. To save my life I betrayed
Him and in so doing I damned myself!" ( In the margin of
his paper the court notary wrote: "Responsio Mortifera"
which means, "fatal answer.")
"My Voices have since
told me that I did a great evil in declaring that what I had
done was wrong. All that I said and revoked that Thursday, I
did for fear of the fire!"
JOAN IS INFORMED OF HER INPENDING
DEATH
"Alas! Am I to be so
horribly and cruelly treated? Alas! That my body, clean and whole,
which has never been corrupted, should this day be consumed and
burned to ashes! Ah! I would far rather have my head chopped
off seven times over, than to be burned!"
"Bishop, I die because
of you!"
(Bishop Cauchon strongly protested
his guilt.) Joan replied: "If you had placed me in the Church's
prison and gave me into the hands of competent and suitable Church
guardians, this would not have happened. That is why I appeal
to God for justice against you!"
JOAN'S LAST WORDS
"My Voices did come from
God and everything that I have done was by God's order."
"Hold the crucifix up
before my eyes so I may see it until I die."
"Jesus, Jesus, Jesus!"
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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:12 pm
Subject: Re: Jeanne d'Arc
--- In [email protected],
golden3000997 wrote:
Joan's warning to Bishop
Cauchon: "You say that you are my judge. I do not know if
you are! But I tell you that you must take good care not to judge
me wrongly, because you will put yourself in great danger. I
warn you, so that if God punishes you for it, I would have done
my duty by telling you!"
Bradford comments;
When the trials of the Intellectual Soul and
Consciousness Soul are roughly, and always unevenly completed,
there arise flashes of the Spirit Self as the soul ripens. Spirit
Self begin to have conditions that bump against The Angelic community.
Which is to say that the soul is now tapping into some of the
immortal aspects of its own higher self. We have to really deal
with this term, 'The Ripening of the I AM.'
Here is what we term a Sin against the Holy
Ghost. This is something, like so many other details in spiritual
research, that requires us to connect objective soul development
with the Reality and substructure of the unfolding of the higher
capaciites of the human Being. But first we have to be able to
SEE. This SEEing is not belief as Joel would like us to drift
to.
One intertwining example of a Sin against
the Holy Ghost, is the fact that Caspar Hauser was not immediately
murdered. There has been strong evidence that Caspar Hauser was
bringing in the European Brotherhood and binding cosmic mission
of Parsifal. In other words, Parsifal achieved the Spirit Selfhood
Initiation under the heading of the Grail Events of 869. The
Caspar part of the biography is sketchy but interesting to consider.
The Parsifal part of the biography is open because we can follow
the destiny of an Egyptian Isis/Osiris Initiate - to a teenager,
in a coma when Christ was on Earth...and Christ captured the
interior karmic unfoldment of this teenager, as "The Youth
of Nain".
It is always interesting to hold up the issue
of "lifting the veil of Isis prematurely" crossing
the Threshold in an old Initiation, and in another life. As the
'Youth of Nain' teenager arose, getting the Astral separation
required in the old Initiation, shook out a disconnection, a
karmic old initiation flaw disconnection out of this very specific
teenager. Suddenly the ancient Initiation intruded into the biographical
structure of the unfolding of the Youth of Nain. Its source was
an Egyptian Initiation in the old methods. Christ recognized
distinctly the danger of the Old and new methods of Initiation.
Christ quickly reviewed the karmic vision
of the destiny and the ancient mysteries and saw that the future
of the new mysteries could pivot on this Youth. Which sent this
youth over to the Good vs Evil Manicheanism or Mani and his profound
and stunning philosophy of how Light is buried in matter and
that there were several levels of Devachan light. On this pivot,
the insight into how nuclear fission exposes the Light in matter
is easily understood... while our Science shit heads don't get
the aspects of what Light is and how we release the very same
substance of Light in matter via Love, biodynamics and midwifing
matter towards the redemption of the Cosmos. This annoys me when
so called Science Anthros fail to integrate these ideas. Limping
with their crippled thinking back over to the glories of Ahriman's
favorite bastard...the Nuclear Bomb.
So after being tortured at Gandhi Shapur,
Man had his body stuffed, after being flayed, he was hung outside
the city gates as what? Well folks, we discuss here a tendency
to martyrdom. Which one has to be very careful that false courage
and throwing oneself as martyrs into the fire isn't some untransformed
game you play in your own mind. The experience must be grounded
in the core of the soul, where the Spirit Self is operating.
Where it is operating it becomes a world signature of Initiation.
One has to be careful not to stoke up abstract Ripening of the
I Am in a pathological Luciferic sense.
But I also wanted to say, what banner was
it, in the body of Mani that hung outside the gates, stuffed?
It was the counter-force flag of all the Sorathian Science that
was pending to burst into culture prematurely. Ghandi Shapur
was the prepared launch point of what is now a completed picture
of all that we have to deal with, right up to the underwear of
the Asuras in this 1998 completion point butting us in our own
time. It is why we have remained STUPID as we were brought right
back to the nightmares of the 20th century as we entered the
dawning of the 21st century. STupid is as Stupid Does and we
are back at the White Rose again.
Sorathian, science was resisted as long as
it could and tempered to keep the maturity level of the soul
of humanity, the development of humanity, a pace with what has
burst onto our consciousness as Technology, biological warfare
and cannabalizing animal group souls, This is my body this is
my blood polaric reference, meaning "This is the Finished
Work of the Gods, lets EAT!" These are etheric bodies, these
are serial killer astral bodies, look yummy Atomic table and
Devachan ethers..gobble, gobble. This is the I AM and the Christ
Being..this is the body of matter and in this matter are I AM's
and they are significant food.
All this is here in 1998 and beyond as finished
foundations of future Sorathian Science operations. The White
Rose group stood in the middle of the dawning of this and were
impelled with startling awareness to see, SEE and Do, what lots
of us losers are also trying to do. Senator Byrd and the "Emperors
New Cloths" and countless voices are raising the same issues
that people do not SEE and Seeing is mandatory to soul development.
Giordano Bruno was burned at the Stake because
he Was well in advance in a soul condition of the Sciences, the
future sciences, Nasa itself, that the death grip the Church
had on Luciferic Soul conditions of the masses refused Bruno
to reveal the type of intellect we have now. Bruno was well ahead
of the curve and was despised for it and martyred for it.
"Wherefore I say unto
you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven
unto men." (Matt 12:31)
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/tibet2.htm
"Steiner said that the
present cultural epoch, the 5th Post-Atlantean, is the era of
the manifestation of the Consciousness Soul. In this the English-speaking
peoples are, in a way, the leaders, since they develop the Conscious
Soul instinctively (a paradoxical concept, if you think about
it). Also, in a way, the Central Europeans, especially the Germans,
are leaders, since they develop the *I*, the Ego, which comes
to fruition in the Conscious Soul. The next epoch, the 6th, will
be a time of Spiritual Self development, though the Spirit Self
will not then become Man's own possession, as is the *I* in the
Conscious Soul today -- that will happen only in the far future.
In the 6th Epoch the Spirit
Self will be an inspiration from above, as it were, from the
angels. The East-Slavs, especially the Russians and Poles should
lead in this development, though in a way the culture will be
worldwide.
The European peoples are gifted
to develop the following human members:
Italians -- Sentient Soul
French -- Intellectual Soul
English -- Conscious Soul
Middle Europe -- Ego = *I*
East Slavs -- Spirit Self (as a nascent capacity; now they mostly
live in the Sentient Soul, though not quite in the same way as
the Italians)
The above is of course only
a very rough sketch; if taken too literally, it might cause some
misunderstandings. For some more detailed explanations by Steiner
see: "Preparing for the Sixth Epoch"; Düsseldorf,
June 15, 1915 "Esoteric Studies: Cosmic Ego and Human Ego";
Munich, January 9, 1912; GA 130"
Bradford continues;
As higher soul conditions, Intelligence and
ripening of the I AM arise in humanity, we also have counter
force. The counter force to awaken the I AM in Sophie and the
White Rose was the entire blindness of the people who were walking
around like nothing was happening. They avoided SEEING. But the
very counterforce awoke and brought hundreds of souls into a
state of awakening the I AM from the sentient soul/intellectual
soul/ and consciousness soul. IN the U.S. and on a vast scale
we are actually engaged in waking the I AM via the counterforces.
The tragedy and the damned reality is that we require these monster,
insane humans to keep us awake, othewise we just wouldn't address
any damned issue and sleep through the whole of evolution and
suck on our Matrix teddie bears.
There may have been a Caspar Houser quiet
choice for European destiny that would not have forced us to
continue along this insane path. But because we can logically
view the mindset of many people today as blindly following, paying
for and corrupting the entire scheme of Earth and the innocent
nurturing of how to educate humanity or children to carry what
they have brought from the spiritual world to us, we are foced
to learn by the counter-force. Now that is a hard nut to swallow.
When is enough; enough? That really depends on the ripening of
the I AM in the various Language and Incarnation ques that we
are in. To some the Ripening of the I AM is in our face or is
merely general Luciferic rebellion, drugs, sex and rock n roll.
Steiner had the Astral Body of Christ as an
extra component to his own Astral body. If we say, Oh that Steiner
was a real skirt chaser, well we can see how our astral body
can sin...and we can see how the Man Steiner can be just a Man
like everyone else.. but here we come against our own egotism,
jealousy and envy. There are individuals who, like going past
the ripe fruit.. some are soft ready to be eaten, some need time
to ripen.. I am thinking of tomatoes. Some are tasty organically
grown tomatoes and others are bland flavored Soul faked tomatoes
that have no taste...
Here we see that Manufacturing and Industrial
growing of etheric bodies reveal a fundamental truth. Neither
hot nor cold, but bland and tasteless and can be spat out by
the higher beings. Where as the Individual I AM grows itself
towards the Angels and from their unique paths of development
we all arrive at the borderland of the Spirit Self. The borderland
of the objective Angelic forces is a term extended past common
psychology tools to include the higher development of the I AM.
Make careful note, no one, no one except the Michael School gets
this clearly...Denial, Denial, Denial. The upper regions of the
development of the Soul of our human species has but richly outlined,
but not anywhere that people have grasped it.
Look dear friends at the little circle, curled
up zodiac of the embryo, now we stretch the human out, into vertical
maturing, thinking and biographical unfoldment. But at some point
a Halo or a condensed new seed of the Astral Body is formed at
the border of the Angelic and human Kingdom. This Halo has been
seen and is known to exist, not just a little painting device
to make a painting interesting, but an actual SCIENCE of SOUL
DEVELOPMENT. It really gets me that we don't DO friggin SCience.
It is not good to kill one who is almost ripened
to the level of Angelic SEEDLing, having objectively matured
to a Scientific Soul condition. We have been lucky in that Steiner
used his objective Soul condition as a way to outline the higher
objective Science of Angels and the deeper mysteries that Saints
are privy to. In other words, once out of the cold abstract atheism
of the Ahrimanized Intellect the world is objectively richer
but no one, except maybe in the Eranos groups, have attempted
to define this things. Henry Corbin for instance.
Now there are some faint threads of insight
that place Joan of Arc in this particular category -
"Denis is the French
form of the name Dionysios (note: -ios; meaning, I think, something
like "that of Dionysos", not directly "Dionysos"),
the name of a member of the audience of st. Paul when preaching
on Areopag in Athens (NT). To be this person claimed an unknown
author of living about the year 500 (generally known as Dionysius
Areopagita or, nowdays, Pseudodionysios) - a person, whose works
on mystical theology were in the ME valued almost as Bible, the
author being regarded as a pupil of st. Paul's. Moreover, Alkuin's
pupil Hildwine, abbot of the St. Denis Abbey, identified in his
legend "Vita Dionysii" the founder of this abbey, abbot
Denis from the 3rd century, with both the author of the Areopagitan
works and the Paul's pupil. This mystification and the greatness
of the works made Pseudodionysus really the most popular theologian
in Paris in ME and the widespread cult of St. Denis "Apostle
of France" in France."
Bradford concludes;
Angel, Archangel, Archai and on up the development
of Logos Beingness and of course the actual Michael the Archai/Archangel
confession of Joan, makes it very clear that there was a Bell
Tone, Devachan echo in the Tone of the Bell... and I would expand
this to Poe's "The Bells" to give you an experience
of Tone windows in which rapture arose in Joan, as the tone of
the bell sounded from her church.
Now to say that Magdalene heard the Christ
Tone, ringing in the ethers at the Tomb is not something we should
be merely mumbling biblical nothings about. There is a resonating
Tone, just as we can say, get real people, Mary heard something.
WE can say, how could Christ hire Paul when Christ was completely
Dead- Tortured - Hung out to dry - a goner, bought the farm,
corpse, dead meat? So I have problems, profound problems with
those who think Science but talk Babylonian Materialism. Joan
the Maid of Orleans served the Language Folk Spirits and Michael
was keeping and still keeps the door open for us.
And we, poor suckers, are stuck with the Counter
forces that torture the discernment and I AM certainty into awkeness
and Ripeness by destroying everything we hold as sentimental
goody, goody, nicey, nicey and sleepy, sleepy. Symptomology of
Beings and the horrid history and current idiocy of this Bush
Administration and this giant Counter force of the Right Wing
should be damn enough for us to hold together and awaken the
nature of Beings and their mature Symptomology and merely offer
objective proofs of all that Spiritual Science indicates. Will
this finally solve the problem?
Nope.
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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Jeanne d'Arc
[Bradford wrote:]
Steiner had the Astral Body of Christ as
an extra component to his own Astral body.
What is your source for this understanding?
Just curious.
Daniel
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From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: Jeanne d'Arc
--- In [email protected],
"Daniel Hindes" wrote:
[Bradford wrote:]
Steiner had the Astral Body of Christ as
an extra component to his own Astral body.
What is your source for this understanding?
Just curious.
Daniel
Steiner;
"Again, reproductions of the astral body
of Jesus of Nazareth propagated themselves in inner enlightenment
in other human beings. They could experience Christ, for they
bore within them something which came from the historical Christ.
Later, in the eleventh, twelfth, thirteenth and fourteenth centuries,
people who through karma were ready for it had interwoven into
them images of the astral body of Jesus of Nazareth. Such, for
example, were Francis of Assissi, Elizabeth of Thuringen, and
others. Many, many were called through the continuous activity
of Christ to carry it to posterity." (Festivals of the Seasons,
1928, Anthroposophic Press, pp.26-29)
Bradford comments;
St. Thomas was also included as reference
by Steiner in his listing of etheric, astral and atma copies..But
I intensively examined a long time ago the Creating of the Goetheanum
and the body of wisdom that Steiner explored in his work. I lived
into the understanding that Steiner had elaborated a special
treasure trove of living wisdom, but I knew it had its roots
in something very powerful and real.
The Goetheanum, 1st Goetheanum presented itself
with stunning depth if one grasps what kind of library card Steiner
had attained. Steiner had the library card for the Jesus/Christ
penetrated Logos Astral body along side his own. Steiner, with
obviously intense karmic effort and work, mined the Library of
the Living Logos. He it was who had to go in night after night
and pull out fragments of this mighty structure and translate
it into the language of the intellect of our times. He brought
out tome after tome, after measuring the magnitude of the Christ
vision into the ancient depth of creation to where Man began.
If we weren't mice, we might walk through
the mystery of what the Michael School represents, translated
into Intellectual Language of the 20th century... that has in
it the amazing germs of the Living Christ Being - Zarathustra
- Buddha and all the details. If we weren't mice we might say,
What we have seen in the BAU and what we have understood through
his research, has brought us intimately in relation to the mighty
Astral Body of the Gods themselves. Of which our astral bodies
are but personalized lap tops compared to the vast superstructure
of Christ.
This point would bring it home. But having
tested this stunning insight out, I have found that it passes
by the dull intellect without a dent. How can that be? I think
it might be because most people have no conception of the Etheric
Body - Astral Body and have somewhat skimmed the surface of Steiner's
Vast Legacy. Toes may have tested the water and in some case
souls have waded in. But this is to the candid observer, stunning.
I am not proud, I am humbled. I am arrogant because I hold widom
on a different level than what others expect to be praised and
applauded. I have a higher standard, but humor to realize my
littleness.
It is a cleansing, through time and inner
development to be able to arrive at something that is waiting
for us. What is it that is waiting for all of us? St. Paul said,
when you see Face to Face and I to the maker of I, now you see
through an astral body darkly. You have a book in the library
waiting for you. I have this amazing book in the library waiting
for me. It is the Objective Logofication of the Astral Body and
merging what you have spiritually grown into with what it meant
to have Christ in a Physical form on Earth. Christ penetrated,
organized and met in the Astral body of Jesus the inner work
of Zarathustra and Buddha. But Christ IMPRESSED IT LIKE WAX.
The Thrones and Christ IMPRESSED THE VERY BONES AND BLOOD LIKE
SUPER FISSON WAX.
Now walking away, through time, we find the
image of this vast library of Soul and Spirit substance planted
as a building, which attempted to represent what Steiner encounterd
in the profound unfolding of HUman evolution, 7-14-21-28-etc...Massive
time structures and a linked dome between the small astral body
of the human and the vast cosmic astral body of the Logos. Two
linked domes, and under the domes?
Details, vast intimate details, How humanity
and culture have been shaping their higher members to become
ringing representatives of the Logos that, that can finally attain
the Throne and Father stamp. Bit by bit, effort by effort, we
gradually lift our mice like eyes up to this vast edifice, and
we say...ASTRAL BOdy.. I never even imagined this when I imagined
Astral body...Warmly carved golden pillars, the dome painted
with the magnificent Christ I AM rising at the mid point of Earth
Evolution, in full color, rising in super dimensions above the
hill of Golgotha.. Oh it wasn't flashy, it was TRUE.
Details of Egypt..to ATlantis to SAturn -Sun
-Moon evolutions and we share the eye witness accounts with Steiner
through his objectified astral body. Steiner walks us through
this magnificent edifice like a child with a Christmas gift he
wants to show everyone. Why it doesn't stun people? Why?
Because we are fairly well protected in our
cemented in intellects and shielded from grasping anything as
complex as the Astral body. No matter how many times we read
Astral body, etheric body.. we don't ask ourselves, if Augustine
had the Etheric Body of Christ...had he really worked it through?
Did Steiner make good on the AStral Body of Christ? Did St. Francis
use this experience differently? Because St. Francis didn't use
his Initiation to remain on the Earth and describe these amazing
details to us.. St. Francis took off with his old friend from
India, Buddha, and went to place this gift in the service of
transforming Mars. Now we pretend that George Bush can use another
distraction and we oooo and ahhh over dumb ass Mars.. when something
is going on there that is even more interesting.
Now why this doesn't call forth our stunned
interest, is because we cannot even grasp the logistics of it
all. The depth of it all. It means that Steiner built a Buidling
that could reflect this mystery and contain the gold of the Astral
body and radiate this mighty transformed substance, as historical
fact into culture. This ain't some fiction story, this just lands
in front of people and they shrug their shoulders... Steiner
brought news from Mars. Dumb Stares. And I must tell you disheartening
dumb stares at that.
Timeing is everything Preparation and ripeness
gradually reveals some shattering insights. I was no less amazed
at the dignity of the essays and leaflets of the White Rose and
believe me, I asked myself how they came to the name of not the
Red Rose, but the Purified White Rose...How the passions of the
blood, right in the middle of the monster horror of the deception
of the blood, the Rose of the Blood, was colored with its worst
nightmare as Hitler and company duped all the sleepers. The purified
white rose is given, in what, six little essays.. essays of such
amazing courage and insight..that John the Baptist would -----
Now see again, right here. Light shines through
everything, clues are everywhere. The Beheading of John the Baptist.
Why was she beheaded? Because she was in good company? It was
the call in the friggin wilderness and the White Rose was speaking
out of the purified passions of the astral body not the polluted
corruption of Racism that and entire folk lulled themselves to
sleep with like mice.
There is a Cry in the Wilderness and we felt
the impassioned and clear tone of the voice.. But in Steiner
is was fully conscious. We hardly want to know from fully conscious.
The White Rose is like a Schindlers List and I haven't seen the
film of the White Rose Christine spoke about. The essays were
stunning, clear as what voices we have raised on this day on
Earth in our own time.
And there it is, voices crying in the wilderness,
one with the mighty structure of clear thought carried on the
transformed thinking of Greek and transformed Pauline/Aristotle,
St. Thomas..(which was all based on meeting the I AM and thinking
capacity of Aristotle and transforming it) and in Thinking we
clarify the Astral body..The Greek Athena Folk Spirit that transferred
his task as Folk Spirit of the Greeks to Exoteric Christianity,
well brings Christianity and humanity a bucket load of new Santa
Goodies, Gifts, gift wrapped and waiting for the slugs of thought,
us, to begin to unwrap the packages.
But as I confess, elaborating this magnificent
cultural mystery just dully dents the headlights of on coming
vehicles like hitting bugs on the window. So there is a dullness,
a lack of golden luminosity, a tarnished and worn out exhaustion
in our souls that don't wish to have to think that we are standing
this close to some of the mightiest miracles of the 20th century.
WHATEVER???
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Jeanne d'Arc
Did you pick up on the quote by Jeanne d'Arc
that she would rather be beheaded 7 times than burn in the fire?
JOAN IS INFORMED OF HER
INPENDING DEATH
"Alas! Am I to be
so horribly and cruelly treated? Alas! That my body, clean and
whole, which has never been corrupted, should this day be consumed
and burned to ashes! Ah! I would far rather have my head chopped
off seven times over, than to be burned!"
Interesting? I am trying to think about the
mystery of the differences in the styles of execution. They all
give me the creeps to begin with, but guillotine is especially
awful to me. Did you see the movie with Gerard Depardieu (all
time great hunk) "Danton" really hard to watch.
My first thought is of course, the medieval
concept of Resurrection, the idea of corporeal resurrection.
I think there was some worry if there wasn't enough body to be
resurrected at the Last Judgement. I guess the head can be put
back on. Am I right about this? But there may
be a much deeper mystery, too. I don't know. I don't want to
talk about it in a sensationalist way, but if anyone has already
thought about it and has some insights, please share.
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 11:46 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Jeanne d'Arc
At 04:28 12.01.2004, Christine wrote:
Did you pick up on the quote by Jeanne
d'Arc that she would rather be beheaded 7 times than burn in
the fire?
JOAN IS INFORMED OF HER
INPENDING DEATH
"Alas! Am I to be
so horribly and cruelly treated? Alas! That my body, clean and
whole, which has never been corrupted, should this day be consumed
and burned to ashes! Ah! I would far rather have my head chopped
off seven times over, than to be burned!"
Yea, that does stikes me as enigmatic. It
doesn't sound like something a heroic saint like St. Joan would
say. I'm not getting at the fact that beheading means instant
death and no torture, but about being beheaded seven times. That
sounds like something Aleister Crowley might have blurted out.
Crowley did, after all, aspire to become the very Beast of St.
John's Apocalypse. This beast has seven heads, just like the
troll who keeps the princess captive in the classic Norwegian
fairy tale. In order to liberate her, Askeladden must first drink
the magic draft to get the strength to lift the huge sword and
chop all seven heads off the troll in one stroke.
The Beast of the Aopcalypse is really a strange
animal:
"And I stood upon the
sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having
seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and
upon his heads the name F17 of blasphemy. And the beast which
I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet
of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon
gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority." - Revelation 13:1-2
If I came across this kind of beast as a puppy,
I'd probably call the RSPCA and ask the local vet what to feed
it and how to keep its mouth shut so it wouldn't insult the neighbors
on Sundays. I like the part about the dragon giving it great
authority, because next time some "outlaw" asks me
who gave me the authority to say something about demons, I'll
say it's the dragon, because I'm a student of the Aleister Crowley
school.
Joan of Arc, on the other hand, did things
her way, almost like Sinatra the crooner - beautifully described
by another crooner, Leonard Cohen:
Now the flames they followed
joan of arc
As she came riding through the dark;
No moon to keep her armour bright,
No man to get her through this very smoky night.
She said, I'm tired of the war,
I want the kind of work I had before,
A wedding dress or something white
To wear upon my swollen appetite.
Well, I'm glad to hear you
talk this way,
You know I've watched you riding every day
And something in me yearns to win
Such a cold and lonesome heroine.
And who are you? she sternly spoke
To the one beneath the smoke.
Why, I'm fire, he replied,
And I love your solitude, I love your pride.
Then fire, make your body
cold,
I'm going to give you mine to hold,
Saying this she climbed inside
To be his one, to be his only bride.
And deep into his fiery heart
He took the dust of joan of arc,
And high above the wedding guests
He hung the ashes of her wedding dress.
It was deep into his fiery
heart
He took the dust of joan of arc,
And then she clearly understood
If he was fire, oh then she must be wood.
I saw her wince, I saw her cry,
I saw the glory in her eye.
Myself I long for love and light,
But must it come so cruel, and oh so bright?
- Leonard Cohen, Songs of Love & Hate
(1971)
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Jeanne d'Arc
I just invited my neighbor over and we watched
"Casablanca" (I have been crying ALL weekend!)
Here is the timeline:
1940 Playwright Murray Burnett collaborates with Joan Allison
on Everybody Comes to Rick's. The play is never published.
December 8, 1941 Everybody Comes to Rick's arrives at the Warner
Bros. Story Department.
December 31, 1941 Producer Hal Wallis officially changes the
title to CASABLANCA.
January 5, 1942 In a press release given to The Hollywood Reporter,
Warner Brothers announces the stars of the upcoming movie to
be called CASABLANCA. Ronald Reagan is slated to play Rick, Ann
Sheridan as Ilsa, and Dennis Morgan as Victor
Laszlo.
January 12, 1942 Burnett and Allison sign a contract with Warner
Brothers for the rights to Everybody Comes to Rick's.
January - March, 1942 Screentests for the
leading roles take place.
April 20, 1942 Dooley Wilson tests for the
role of Sam.
April 24, 1942 Warner Bros. makes a deal to borrow Ingrid Bergman
from MGM.
May 1, 1942 Paul Henreid agrees to play the role of Victor Laszlo
in return for third billing above the title.
May 3, 1942 An announcement is made that Dooley Wilson will play
the role of Sam.
May 13, 1942 CASABLANCA is now officially Production No. 410
at the Warner Brothers lot.
May 22, 1942 Conrad Veidt signs on to play Major Strasser.
May 25, 1942 Shooting begins with the Paris flashback sequence.
May 26, 1942 Claude Rains signs on to play Captain Renault and
Peter Lorre agrees to play Ugarte.
May 28, 1942 Shooting moves to Soundstage 8 which contains the
set of Rick's Cafe.
June 15, 1942 S.Z. Sakall accepts the role of Carl, the head
waiter.
June 25, 1942 Paul Henreid reports to the set of CASABLANCA after
finishing NOW VOYAGER.
July 11, 1942 Max Steiner is assigned to write the score.
August 1, 1942 Humphrey Bogart completes shooting his scenes.
August 3, 1942 Last official day of shooting.
August 21, 1942 Bogart is called back to add the final line,
"Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship."
September 22, 1942 CASABLANCA is previewed in Huntington Park
and Pasadena, California.
November 8, 1942 Allied forces land in North
Africa.
November 26, 1942 CASABLANCA premieres at
the Hollywood Theatre in New York.
January 23, 1943 CASABLANCA opens in Los Angeles and in general
release throughout the country.
April 26, 1943 Bogart, Bergman and Henreid perform a radio adaptation
of the movie on CBS radio.
January 24, 1944 The Lux Radio Theater presents a radio adaptation
with Hedy Lamarr, John Loder, Alan Ladd, and Ernest Whitman.
The program is introduced by Cecil B. DeMille.
March 3, 1944 On the night of The Academy Awards CASABLANCA wins
Best Picture, Best Director, and Best Screenplay.
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I picked up on the scene after Ilse leaves the bar the first
time and Rick has Sam (Sam!!! always the name for a sidekick?)
play "As Time Goes By"
Rick askes Sam: "Sam, its December 1941
in Casablanca, what time is it in New York?"
Sam: "Huh? My watch stopped."
Rick: "I bet they're asleep in New York. I bet they're asleep
all over America."
Then he grimaces and bangs his fist on the
table.
America was still debating its isolationist
position I think, at least when this was written.
And what scene makes me cry hardest? When
they sing the "Marseillaise" in the bar, drowning out
the German officers! At the end of this particular tape they
have a retrospective program and interviews with many of the
key people involved in creating this film, including the writers
(there were several). One of them, Howard Koch, I think says
that he cried as he wrote that scene.
Anyway, now I have a mental image of you,
Bradford, banging your fist on the table and saying "I bet
they're asleep in New York. I bet they're asleep all over America."
****************
Well, as we go to sleep all over America, I send this out to
you again. I know that I sent it to the group a while back, but
here's looking at you, kid:
To Walk on Water
I want to learn, in time, to walk on water.
My faith, constantly being put to the test
Fails me most often, tossed on the waves
Of our reasonable and unholy age.
It is not true that we are never given
More than our souls can grasp
Or rise above. We often sink beneath
The thunderous waves of unforeseen misfortunes.
The broken masts wash ashore each day
And wreckage is a common sight along
These beaches; yet in the silence of grey
Morning fog, I stalwartly lift my sail again.
I cannot swim well, and fear the creatures
Of the deep, unknown and hideous companions
Who are with me always, even unto the end of time,
And for whom I am responsible.
White mountains on a farther shore are calling
me.
The day is clear but windy, cold and rough.
I'll try again to reach the distant courses
Where hope and faith fail not in winter's measures.
For thought I sink and break upon the waters-
Denied the saving angel's last minute solace;
Life has not yet overturned for me the truth
That someday we shall learn to walk on water.
Love,
Christine
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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:39 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Jeanne d'Arc
I don't know, I'd rather go to the guillotine
than burned alive - less painful. If it has to be fire, then
I'll take a volcano over the stake.
Daniel
----- Original Message -----
From: golden3000997
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Jeanne d'Arc
Did you pick up on the quote by Jeanne
d'Arc that she would rather be beheaded 7 times than burn in
the fire?
JOAN IS INFORMED OF HER
INPENDING DEATH
"Alas! Am I to be
so horribly and cruelly treated? Alas! That my body, clean and
whole, which has never been corrupted, should this day be consumed
and burned to ashes! Ah! I would far rather have my head chopped
off seven times over, than to be burned!"
Interesting? I am trying to think about
the mystery of the differences in the styles of execution. They
all give me the creeps to begin with, but guillotine is especially
awful to me. Did you see the movie with Gerard Depardieu (all
time great hunk) "Danton" really hard to watch.
My first thought is of course, the medieval
concept of Resurrection, the idea of corporeal resurrection.
I think there was some worry if there wasn't enough body to be
resurrected at the Last Judgement. I guess the head can be put
back on. Am I right about this? But there may
be a much deeper mystery, too. I don't know. I don't want to
talk about it in a sensationalist way, but if anyone has already
thought about it and has some insights, please share.
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 1:56 pm
Subject: France - England - ?
Bradford comments;
When the trials of the Intellectual Soul
and Consciousness Soul are roughly, and always unevenly completed,
there arise flashes of the Spirit Self as the soul ripens. Spirit
Self begin to have conditions that bump against The Angelic community.
Which is to say that the soul is now tapping into some of the
immortal aspects of its own higher self. We have to really deal
with this term, 'The Ripening of the I AM.'
<snip? whatever?>
The European peoples are
gifted to develop the following human members:
Italians -- Sentient Soul
French -- Intellectual Soul
English -- Conscious Soul
Middle Europe -- Ego = *I*
East Slavs -- Spirit Self (as a nascent capacity; now they mostly
live in the Sentient Soul, though not quite in the same way as
the Italians)
oooooooooooooooo!!!!!
LIGHT BULBS FLASHING!! AMUSEMENT PARK RIDE
SPINNING!!!! HORNS HONKING!!!!
GOT IT! GOT IT! GOT IT!!!
When I am dumb, I am REALLY DUMB!!!!
Sitting here wondering, well WHY did Joan
want the English out of France? Or better yet, why did Michael,
Catherine & Margaret want them out of France. Been shrugging
my shoulders and saying "dunno" - guess they had their
reasons! You all knew it all along, right? You all probably had
a handle on this for AGES! Well, it just take me A LONG TIME
TO CATCH ON sometimes!
They were going to mess with the development
of the Intellectual Soul and thereby cause repercussive problems
with their own Conciousness Soul development, right? Right? RIGHT???
I never COULD figure out why they wanted that
little squirrel on the throne of France. It wasn't about him
at all, was it?? Oh Boy! I'd still like to know what was up with
the way he betrayed Joan - why she had to die for being elected
to the job? Maybe just so that she would avoid being manipulated
and her impulse erased beyond a quaint footnote in the history
books?
Like I said, Y'all knew all this, right? I
probably heard it somewhere along the way and just did NOT pick
up on it at all!!
Whoa, dude, thanks!!!!
(I know you wrote a lot of other good stuff,
Bradford, but I am just TOO blown away by this bit to concentrate
on the rest!!!)
Hey, did this have anything to do with Napoleon's
getting his ass kicked in Russia??
But what the hell is "Middle Europe"????
Germany? Where does the US fit into this scheme? Joel should
be able to help with this, but he's probably not speaking to
me anymore.
I'm supposed to already KNOW this stuff, right???
Just give it to me REAL Simple, guys, brain cells dying rapidly
here!
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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 4:42 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] France - England - ?
But what the hell is "Middle Europe"????
Germany? Where does the US fit into this scheme?
Middle Europe in this context would be everything
between Russia and France (Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia,
Slovenia, Croatia, parts of the Ukraine, Romaina, Hungary, Austria,
Switzerland, oh, and Germany).
The US in this context is an extension of
England (Steiner often talks of the "Anglo-American"
influence). That may change as the country becomes progressively
less Anglo, but for now the rule seems to me to hold.
Daniel Hindes
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:50 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] France - England - ?
Danke Schoen!! : )
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 5:53 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] France - England - ?
See, I KNEW you guys already knew this stuff!!
: )
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From: golden3000997
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 6:04 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] France - England - ?
Just thought of something else, though. I
read somewhere long time ago that New York was first called New
Amsterdam and that there was a very tight vote as to whether
the official language of the United States would be German or
English. English won by a very small margin. I'll have to see
if I can find a reference. So we might just as well say German-American,
no?
I wonder if America is more like a mirror
reflection of Europe in that sense and that those qualities or
aspects of soul development were "imported" here with
all the different waves of immigration.
I have carried the idea for a long time that
the 6th Post Atlantean epoch will be "Russian". I said
to Rene in the '70s that I didn't like that because it would
be too cold. He said that it would be much warmer by then. I
was OK with it after that. : )
I have a mental image of "New America"
as the regent of the 7th PA, but I don't know if that is just
something I imagined, or if I read it anywhere. Like, all of
the US history so far (not that it has been very long yet) is
not yet the "real" America, but that America is not
really going to be "born" until the 7th PA. Until then,
what we are living through is the working out of karma arising
from this "mirror image" of Europe. Am I just tripping,
or am I on to something?
: ) Christine
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From: Daniel Hindes
Date: Sun Jan 11, 2004 8:34 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] France - England - ?
New York was first New Amsterdam, however
the English quickly dominated the east coast, and eventually
the whole continent (New Orleans and Quebec excepted :-).
There was a very large German population in
Pennsylvania around the time of the Revolution. It was Ben Franklin
who started the story of a vote to select English or German to
be the official language. It was a joke he used to counter the
argument in the Continental Congress that the country should
have an official language at all - what if a vote were held and
German won? It was a joke because of how unlikely it would have
been.
There was a Russian influence on the West
Coast for a short while, and some in Europe would like to see
more importance in this than there is. In the 1700's and early
1800's Russian trappers opperated in the Pacific Northwest. A
few forts were established, one as far south as the north shore
of the San Francisco Bay. However, all were temporary settlements,
and the total Russian population never exceeded 200. They were
rather quickly pushed out.
He said that it would be much warmer by
then. I was OK with it after that. : )
Global warming?
The 7th PAE - the War of All Against All?
The age of cataclysmic decline (think, sinking of Atlantis, destruction
of Lemuria) leading over to the next Epoch? Here? In America?
I'm sure that many see the seeds of this already, but it is still
a long way off.
Daniel
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From: Joel Wendt
Date: Tue Jan 13, 2004 8:18 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] France - England - ?
Dear Christine,
You'll have to decide yourself, whether or
not you are tripping.
Ben-Aharon's new book: "America's Global
Responsibility: individuation, initiation and threefolding"
has as its epilogue: "American Renewal of the Mysteries
of the Earth".
This epilogue is all about the Present, and
among much else (including references to Emerson), it contains
this sentence: "In America, all we need to do is to listen
carefully and attentively to the beat of Mother Earth's heart,
in order to find, in one way or another, a suitable entry point
to fruitful social life. This life then will grow and branch
out into all social domains with natural-human power."
I don't think we have to wait for the future
at all to unfold the Spirit of America as it lives in each human
being, of whatever nation, culture, race or language. The Spirit
of America is an universally human characteristic, which is somewhat
stronger in the geographic America, but certainly not confined
there.
warm regards,
joel
On Sun, 2004-01-11 at 19:04, golden3000997
wrote:
I have a mental image of "New America"
as the regent of the 7th PA, but I don't know if that is just
something I imagined, or if I read it anywhere. Like, all of
the US history so far (not that it has been very long yet) is
not yet the "real" America, but that America is not
really going to be "born" until the 7th PA. Until then,
what we are living through is the working out of karma arising
from this "mirror image" of Europe. Am I just tripping,
or am I on to something?
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