MLK
From: Mike Helsher
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 9:34 am
Subject: MLK
It's Martin Luther King day here in the states.
So I thought I'd remember him through the song that inspired
me to look into who he really was:
"Pride in the name of Love," by U2.
[belting it out it in my mind from a mountain top]
"In the naaaaaame... of Love....
One mooooore in the name of Love...."
Thoughtfully,
Mike
...................................................................................................................................
From: lightsearcher1
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:15 pm
Subject: re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King
In anthroposophy_whenever, Mike Helsher wrote:
It's Martin Luther King day here in the
states. So I thought I'd remember him....
Me, too, Mike, and with some less cloud-i-fied,
and more concrete (f)actualities --
PREFACE: I almost wretched (read puked) when
I heard Harry Belafonte yesterday declaim on the radio, "Martin
took me aside at a party and said, "I'm concerned for the
social/moral decline in the country."
GIVE ME A BREAK, Martin --
You gotta' WALK the TALK, Marty baby, but
you did not do that.
That's the essence of the concept of a "hypocrite."
More accurately, the wretch was a letch, and
abusive to the female gender to boot...
= = = = = = = = = = = = =
The Smoking Gun
In his 1989 autobiography, And the Walls Came
Tumbling Down, King's close friend and fellow civil rights leader
Ralph Abernathy writes that on the night before he died, King...had
dinner with a woman (-- not Coretta - ed.) afterward and remained
with her (-- not Coretta - ed.) till 1 AM, then came back to
his motel to spend the night with a second woman.
In the early morning hours a third woman came
looking for King and became angry when she found the bed in the
room he shared with Abernathy unoccupied.
When King reappeared, he argued with woman
#3 and wound up knocking her across the bed.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/030502.html
http://main.wgbh.org/ton/programs/6878_02.html
= = = = = = = = = =
ASSOCIATED PRESS:
Abernathy was ostracized by many prominent
civil rights leaders shortly before his death because he wrote
in his 1989 autobiography that King had a weakness for women
(-- not Coretta - ed.) and that on the night before he was killed,
he had sexual encounters (-- not Coretta - ed.) with two women
(-- not Coretta - ed.) and fought with a third (-- not Coretta
- ed.) .
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/125.html
= = = = = = = = = =
...................................................................................................................................
From: Mike Helsher
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] re: Partin' (with demigod)
Luther King
Hey Br. Ron:
Yeah, Ben Franklin had a hard time keepin it in his pants too.
Does that mean that we negate all that he had to contribute to
the benefit of humanity?
Curiously
Mike
...................................................................................................................................
From: lightsearcher1
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 7:08 pm
Subject: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King
In [email protected],
Mike Helsher wrote:
Does that mean that we negate all that
he had to contribute to the benefit of humanity?
Curiously
Mike
It does not, and we do not, negate it at all.
The presence of MKL in the history of the
United States is a very positive thing.
Surely, there is "therapeutic healing"
in the intense socio-psychological projection that his Iconography/Hagiography
absorbs within itself.
The Hagiography is there because it fills
a need, even though the Iconography/Hagiography of MLK goes beyond
any sure and steady footing in reality.
(The JFK cult is coming to balance in this
regard of late, so maybe there's hope yet in the case of King.)
Martin Luther King no doubt "did good"
in front of the public daytime stagelights, and gave inspiration
to all of us in his public life.
But people (liberals) WAIL when King is measured
by the actual measure that he importuned us to measure him by
-- "the content of character."
When his knowing and egregious plagiarism
(dishonesty), compounded by regular sexual adulteries, is considered
-- he was an ORDAINED REVEREND for goodness sakes (!) -- it is
impossible to conclude anything other than that his Hagiography
is a POSITIVE GOOD while the man himself -- (i.e., his character)
-- was not morally good.
Illusions are not all bad. -- They serve a
need and they often do us good.
...................................................................................................................................
From: Mike Helsher
Date: Mon Jan 19, 2004 8:31 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Partin' (with demigod)
Luther King
Br Ron wrote:
<snip>
Martin Luther King no doubt "did good" in front
of the public daytime stagelights, and gave inspiration to all
of us in his public life.
But people (liberals) WAIL when King is
measured by the actual measure that he importuned us to measure
him by -- "the content of character."
When his knowing and egregious plagiarism
(dishonesty), compounded by regular sexual adulteries, is considered
-- he was an ORDAINED REVEREND for goodness sakes (!) -- it is
impossible to conclude anything other than that his Hagiography
is a POSITIVE GOOD while the man himself -- (i.e., his character)
-- was not morally good.
Illusions are not all bad. -- They serve
a need and they often do us good.
Mike:
Reality is not all that bad too. And yes, King did some pretty
Dumb things. I personally have an easier time forgiving Sexual
misconduct. Especially with those who seem destined to try with
great zeal to move humanity in a direction that they think they
Know is right. Jimmie Swagert comes to mind, but I don't see
him as having such a Just cause (unless of course we feel that
having "Twenty Million dollars in a heavenly his bank account"
is a Just cause). So many so-called great spiritual teachers
have fallen into so-called sexual misconduct over the years.
There seems to be a common thread, but I can't put my finger
on it right now.
Physical abuse is just plain dumb.
I personally wouldn't say that the man himself is not "Morally
good." For I think that we are all morally good; some of
us just don't know it yet. I'd say that he did not yet obtain
Moral perfection.
Br Ron. You seem to have a deep rooted prejudice when it comes
to "Liberals." I'm wondering if you could tell me why,
without demoralizing your fellow human beings.
Truth and Love
Mike
...................................................................................................................................
From: lightsearcher1
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:54:04 -0000
Subject: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Partin' (with demigod)
Luther King
Mike:
When "Civil Rights" is your shtick,
your game, your angle, it helps to maybe try to be CIVIL (to
your own chosen wife) -- and maybe pay attention to people's
human RIGHTS, instead of smackin' their fanny across the room.
That's the point.
...................................................................................................................................
From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 11:32 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Partin' (with demigod)
Luther King
At 04:08 20.01.2004, lightsearcher1 wrote:
The presence of MKL in the history of the
United States is a very positive thing.
J. Edgar Hoover was of a different persuasion.
He got the goods on King's sexual escapades and off-color jokes
through bugging and wiretapping, and he gave him an offer he
hoped he wouldn't refuse: Let the world learn what a pig you
are, or go kill yourself, because then I won't expose you.
But people (liberals) WAIL when King is
measured by the actual measure that he importuned us to measure
him by -- "the content of character."
Liberals wail? What's your problem with liberals?
They're not hawkish enough? They're not itching to execute criminals,
castrate gays, fry loudmouths overseas with bombs and missiles,
punish teenagers severely for having sex (with a serious Freudian
id-problem), making the law of Moses the law of the land, censoring
the arts and the media when something may be construed as obscene,
covering up the genitals of nude statutes (see previous parenthesis),
taking milk from babies because they're parasites and there's
no free lunch for anybody? Because liberals are bleeding-hearters
who don't shoot first and ask questions later?
And Martin Luther King Jr. - who once told
his father to take his church and stick it btw - Well, he once
said something quite unforgettable:
"An unjust law is no law at all."
Think about it. That's where the honest outlaw
comes into the picture.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
...................................................................................................................................
From: elaineupton2001
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 2:44 pm
Subject: MLKing's contribution--Re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther
King
Hello list,
I am new to this list, but not new to many
of you who are here (you may recognize "me" from other
anthroposophy related lists in the past).
About Martin Luther King and the issue of
his personal life not measuring up to his public image:
Yes, King, allegedly, had extramarital affair(s).
ON this matter, I don't know the facts, and I doubt anyone does,
including whoever handled the tapes for J. Edgar Hoover, himself
a pretty disreputable man. But even if King did have these affairs
and do other less than honorable things, that, for me, does not
take away from his accomplishments, his way of inspiring others
and his own willingness to die for something he found "so
dear" (his own words)--the cause of justice and equal opportunity
in America for what he called "all of God's children."
Goethe, for whom the Anthroposophic headquarters
in Switzerland is named, had affairs with women, and did things
that were less than honorable. Yet, his name stands on the building
that Steiner built to house the body, soul, and spirit of hte
Anthroposophic Society. Why is that?
Some souls are advanced (Goethe, King, for
example), yet far from perfect.
Even the Buddha in his last incarnation, Steiner
tells us, faced great temptations. It happens that he was able
to withstand these, as was the Jesus of Nazareth being after
he was baptized in the Jordan by John, thus receiving the Christ
being into himself. Even then, he was gravely tempted, as we
know, but was able to stay the course.
So, King and Goethe and others were not yet
able to stay the course. Still, they have contributed immensely
to the progress of humanity!
And in the future, they will develop further,
even as we all may, I do pray.
Blessings,
elaine
...................................................................................................................................
From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 5:11 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] re: Partin' (with demigod)
Luther King
Lightsearcher wrote:
Me, too, Mike, and with some less cloud-i-fied,
and more concrete (f)actualities --
Hey Lightsearcher,
This seems to be the big problem with much
of what you share in my opinion and that is 'concrete'...where's
the flow my friend, where's the flow?
It seems you want to hold that which is worse
than that which is good. In your next post you hold him to be
human, so what? Why all the tearing down of that which is trying
to make it in this world?
I seem to find no balance in what you share.
It's like trying to knock someone or something off the block
just because you can and have the slanted info to show your side
of the story. Then we all have this smutty little thought versus
the good that was trying to make its way through. We get the
smutty, we are surrounded by it everyday.
In reference to the Abernathys portrayal of
King do you have a quote from the actual book versus the hype
from smoking gun? It may or may not be true but to behold the
worst in others is a nasty streak that serves nothing to help
the battle we find ourselves in today.
Why are you so focused in dragging down others?
Got to let the light shine through sometime Lightsearcher.
Sincerely,
Dottie
...................................................................................................................................
From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 11:03 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: Partin' (with demigod)
Luther King
At 01:54 20.01.2004, lightsearcher1 wrote:
When "Civil Rights" is your shtick,
your game, your angle, it helps to maybe try to be CIVIL (to
your own chosen wife) -- and maybe pay attention to people's
human RIGHTS, instead of smackin' their fanny across the room.
That's the point.
That's sick. Some kind of righ-wing graveyard
sickness.
MLK had a problem with his excessive libido
just like the Kennedys, but without all those guys, America would
still be under the shadow of Jim Crow. Reading appeals from conservatives
of the early 1960's is fascinating. From these appeals we learn
how wrong it was for white people to "stir up the Negroes"
by telling them that they were unhappy as second-rate citizens
when they were very pleased and content with their situation
if nobody made any trouble about it.
It's tempting to speculate about the underlying
motive behind this strange rage against the well-deserved public
respect and admiration for MLK.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
...................................................................................................................................
From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Fri Jan 23, 2004 10:41 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Partin' (with demigod)
Luther King
At 05:31 20.01.2004, Mike wrote:
I personally have an easier time forgiving
Sexual misconduct.
So did Christ. the Gospels show that Jesus
was very understanding and empathetic and forgiving towards those
who had sinned because of human weaknesses of the flesh - the
woman at the well, the woman who should be stoned for adultery,
etc. - but he was merciless against those guilty of economic
misconduct, tax collectors, and members of the clergy: the robbers
of widows and so on. They were promised damnation, and they were
described as snakes with souls like tombs.
A powerful message for the conservatives and
the Religious Right, who incessantly rail against sexual indiscretions
while they endorse and defend abusive capitalism, oppressive
debt collectors and so on.
Christianity and politics don't mix, but Christianity
mixed with conservatism and hawkishness is nothing but a bad
joke.
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
...................................................................................................................................
From: winters_diana
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2004 8:24 am
Subject: Re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King
Hear, hear, Tarjei, I agree with everything
you wrote:
At 05:31 20.01.2004, Mike wrote:
I personally have an easier time forgiving
Sexual misconduct.
So did Christ. the Gospels show that Jesus
was very understanding and empathetic and forgiving towards those
who had sinned because of human weaknesses of the flesh - the
woman at the well, the woman who should be stoned for adultery,
etc. - but he was merciless against those guilty of economic
misconduct, tax collectors, and members of the clergy: the robbers
of widows and so on. They were promised damnation, and they were
described as snakes with souls like tombs.
A powerful message for the conservatives
and the Religious Right, who incessantly rail against sexual
indiscretions while they endorse and defend abusive capitalism,
oppressive debt collectors and so on.
Christianity and politics don't mix, but
Christianity mixed with conservatism and hawkishness is nothing
but a bad joke.
...................................................................................................................................
From: dottie zold
Date: Sat Jan 24, 2004 9:37 am
Subject: Re: Partin' (with demigod) Luther King
On sexual forgiveness and Christ:
Diana
Hear, hear, Tarjei, I agree with everything
you wrote:
Dottie
As does Staudenmaier for sure, but the real
question is does Dan Dugan?
Not swinging with Peter, too many skeletons
in that closet,
Dottie
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Click to subscribe to anthroposophy_tomorrow
January/February
2004
The Uncle
Taz "Anthroposophy Tomorrow" Files
Anthroposophy & Anarchism
Anthroposophy & Scientology
Anthroposophical
Morsels
Anthroposophy,
Critics, and Controversy
