Quotable Quotes
Stupid is as Stupid Does
From: holderlin66
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2004 2:03 pm
Subject: Stupid is as Stupid does
--- In [email protected],
holderlin66
[From
"Quotable quotes/Camp David"]
At the end of this battle, we will finally
have a cleansed planet, a new gene pool and the Cancer of corroded
renegade beliefs against the one true god will finally have won
a decisive victory.
Bradford comments;
One of the secrets of sustaining dialogue
are catching the empathy and drift of research ideals that others
present and running a 1/2 block with them or carry the ball for
a second. I understood Golden's or Christine's sense that raw
Michael and Christ values were being shared by lots of other
people. I also understood the profound insight Joel offered regarding
the meek and humble, as holding a silence in the soul. Amazing..
The Stars once spoke to men but are silent now...etc.. until
we experience that tickle of the I Am, undisturbed in us. I truly
see Joel's insight as well.
Golden has done what I have done and many
of us perhaps have done, by sending our missives and mixing up
the sites and people we are talking directly with, with the general
sharing of information. In other words we send out, even to sites
who haven't heard of the people we are talking about, our general
excitement over a wonderful shared idea. Nothing wrong with that
at least the heart is beating.
Now Brother Ron need never have to worry about
my joy over his courage, Brother Ron and I have been having a
C.S. Lewis and Barfield scrap for sometime but I have already
noted with great joy, his love for Arthurian backdrops and have
embraced that which his heart produces as a musician. I could
eat his tapes for breakfast and play them on long rides and feel
comforted that this soul has his heart in the right place. All
I can say is you should consider yourself lucky to hear a few
of his cds.
As to my admiration for Jan-Starbirgarden,
I consider myself blessed every time she posts anything. Recently
she posted something I have been following about Perle's new
book on hunting down evil and going after pre-emptively Syria
and Iran and so on.. It is a nice Balloon and as they say, publish
and strike while the iron is hot. Meaning that Perle and the
Neocons are running a hot contest and the radical right needs
to be on the side of Bush in the coming election. Besides the
books from both Right and Left are streaming from the Intellectual
Soul, Rational Soul like open fire hydrants.
The Consciousness Soul is the heros ground,
the Hamlet and the British Isle of thought, that needs to be
carved out so that the Intellectual Soul infection of false thinking
doesn't incubate an Asuric anti Consciousness Soul tendency.
You have to go inside that thought and really grasp the type
of thinking that reflects Conscousness Soul and for your pleasure,
Joseph Campbell is a representative who is going to build on
something wonderful in his future incarnations thanks to his
clear work in the Consciousness Soul.
For us and our contributions to any list that
represents True Michael School research or Sophia research, we
can look rather fondly on the way Joseph Campbell edited the
Eranos meetings for years. We can look fondly at the Inklings
of C.S. Lewis, Tolkien, Barfield, Williams and Harwood and see
that our conferences, conversations, essays and thinking directions
can be communicated in the depth of cyberspace with more ease
than our elders. However that does not mean that we allow the
usual ease and quibbling to become the silly banter of something
that is truly, like Eranos and the Inklings or for that matter
the Mermaid Tavern...an immense, if not hidden, cultural treasure
for those who seek it.
http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/237.html
Tarjei got miffed
when we dared compare the Bush intentions against the backdrop
of Nazis. I may not have gotten this exactly right, but somehow
in Tarjei's mind, nothing could compare with the full impact
of the horror of Nazi Germany and the nightmare endured by Europe.
To that I would respond that I also think Americans are spoiled
brats and haven't a clue what it was like to be in the devastation
of the Europe of Hitler.
On the other hand, spotting this re-arising
of fascism out of America is tracking the ever re-gathering of
minions of little Ahrimanic urchins that have now become a massive
collection of refried Patriotic, fear driven Nationalism...
My Opinion is that Nazi Germany and the atrocities
even of Iraq should never be allowed to happen in a humanity
that wakes up to it self. The symptomology and the catastropohe
of Bush began very like the same bright evening at the Reichstag
when.... a common janitor apparently was baited into starting
a fire.
I said I would try things out some good and
some stupid. Now here is a stupid idea I had spinning in my brain.
Let's go live now to Mr. Stupid.
For those of you who don't understand the
1933 Event time line history, Steiner's birthday is Feb 27 and
like the Bush Administration and the Palme spy affair Karl Rove
sends his henchmen out for revenge, bitter revenge when Ahriman
is crossed... Well Steiner had nailed Ahriman and mounted with
Goethe on Weimar and dug a deep foundation that Goethe had begun
digging... In this foundation he really pissed Ahriman off and
from this pissing off and Steiner's accurate chess move to out
move Ahriman, he gave away the 1933 date of the rise of Christ
in the Etheric...
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERreichstagF.htm
"On 27th February the
Reichstag caught fire. When they police arrived they found Marinus
van der Lubbe on the premises. After being tortured by the Gestapo
he confessed to starting the Reichstag Fire. However he denies
that he was part of a Communist conspiracy. Hermann Goering refuses
to believe him and he orders the arrest of several leaders of
the German Communist Party (KPD). "
So my [note stupid] idea was this: I pondered
a long time how Darwin was Tariq who historically broke through
Spain and into Europe in 711. Charles Darwin later took Europe
by storm, even though in his life time as Tariq he was an apparent
nobody. But I have begun to see how Ahriman has a real sense
of humor. We need to understand the Logos and the mystery of
fact and fiction. I have no handle on either fact or fiction
but I have noted just how Ahriman works, "Thus Spake Zarathustra"
was all about Zarathustra and a pissy fit against Christ.
Darwin as the former Arabian horseman TAriq
blasted with his tiny group of raiders into Spain. Ahriman allowed
the Science that was his part of creation to come through Darwin's
writings. Ahriman and our
need to begin to open giant cans of worms to launch heavy Science
and of course RAcism and bogus reasons for WARS were Ahriman's
efforts to insult Christ. Humans got all buzzed over misunderstanding
the kind of Science that Darwin was presenting and as they say
in hollywood, Darwin became the flavor of the week.
Ahriman is good chess player, as Bergman has
indicated, and his chess move against 1933 was to continue WMD
to bring the insult that resulted in Hiroshima and Nagasaki and
the nuclear age of false Pauline Light. Light brighter than a
Thousand Suns was Ahriman's big ticket item and really advanced
his agenda on the board. Ahriman directly attacked Christ connected
to Krishna via Oppenheimer's stunned comment and overwhelming
guilt when he saw what he had wrought. Harry Truman was the 33
President of the U.S.. Ahriman has this thing with the Christ
Being and anybody who messes with Ahriman is gonna be in a Word
of Sh--.
So my stupid thought was that I wondered,
and forgive me for this immensely stupid thought, that with Ahriman's
cocky sense of humor [don't forget Haroun al Raschid and Francis
Bacon] with Ahriman's cocky sense of humor I wondered if the
very guy who started the fire was not now sitting in the office
of President of the U.S. Marinus van der Lubbe or Dubya. Maybe
not, at least not GW.
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERlubbe.htm
Alright, I just now looked at the picture
of Lubbe and I can see by the skull and facial features - which
are carried as a sculpted I AM skull Identity that the idea is
stupid. Because you would be able to see a slight metamorphosis
of resemblance to Bush, but the lips and jaw are not GW. GW has
kind of weasel like eyes. It ain't him. But just for the sense
of humor, Nero and setting fire to Rome and the Reichstag fire
both uncorked the bottle and let the demons out.
Just so you may check yourself, please, when
you have a free moment, check the bust of Socrates to the head
of Tolstoy. Steiner was very impressed with the Immortal imprint
he could see there. Soul advancement also has mighty riddles
to it. For instance Raphael and Novalis didn't appear to bear
the same likeness, however it was Novalis who found a riddle
of reincarnation in the strange love he had of Sophie von Kuhn,
who actually rather looked very much like Raphael. As I said,
noting ventured, nothing gained, Steiner's insights into the
deep region of Reincarnation and his methods are going to take
many years to grow into.
So that is my process with stupid ideas..
I was wrong and am way off track. However it is objective to
study Ahriman's sense of humor because indeed the lawfulness
of Gods and the laws of matter and the logos allows for a very
clear sense of humor even when it comes to the gods. There are
always avenues and threads of logic that bind things together.
AS far as Lucifer's sense of humor, you would have to understand
the orbiting Timothy Leary to see the humor in Lucifer and to
understand how the Karma of Lucifer and Ahriman are bound together,
you would have to understand the cult of Heaven's Gate.
To understand abuse of theory, you would have
to understand Bradfordian movie making against Bradford's love
for Steiner's concrete thinking. I am very willing to see how
full of holes some of my theories are.
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From: Tarjei Straume
Date: Tue Jan 6, 2004 2:37 pm
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Stupid is as Stupid does
At 23:03 05.01.2004, Bradford wrote:
http://pup.princeton.edu/titles/237.html
Tarjei got miffed when we dared compare
the Bush intentions against the backdrop of Nazis. I may not
have gotten this exactly right, but somehow in Tarjei's mind,
nothing could compare with the full impact of the horror of Nazi
Germany and the nightmare endured by Europe. To that I would
respond that I also think Americans are spoiled brats and haven't
a clue what it was like to be in the devastation of the Europe
of Hitler.
When we take into consideration that Bush
has in effect announced the right of the U.S. Empire to invade
any country of its choosing and replace any government it doesn't
like with its own handpicked "Quisling" regime, round
up certain ethnicities and transport all "suspects"
to military bases on Cuba and other obscure locations beyond
the jurisdiction of American and international laws where we
dare not imagine what happens in the cellars of interrogation,
the comparison between Bush and Hitler is understandable. But
when a German politician spits it out, its thoughtless, unimaginative,
politically stupid, and ignorant.
I'll just draw your attention to one significant
detail that shows how dumb the comparison between Hitler and
Bush is: Hitler's oratorial skills, his fantastic and unmatched
talent as a stage performer. Stalin comes close, very close,
and his murderous atrocities match those of Hitler, but they
are less well documented, and for that reason, being compared
to Stalin is less insulting than being compared to Hitler.
Anyway, Charlie Chaplin, whose date of birth
was within a week of Hitler's, and whose mustache is rumored
to have inspired Hitler's own, was so mightily impressed with
the Führer's solo stage performance that he had never seen
the likes of anywhere, that he made the classic film "The
Great Dictator." Nazi officers were not permitted to see
this flick, but Hitler, who loved movies, ordered it TWICE to
his home cinema.
GWB is no orator, no stage performer, no hypnotizer
and brainwasher of millions with just a glance. People are not
mesmerized by Bush; only by his presidency. The power of his
office turns people on regardless of who is wielding it. The
fire and conviction in Hitler's eyes made people fall for him
like flies. Have you seen his body language and heard his voice?
Compare that to the stumbling insecure on-syllable-word ramblings
and hesitations and empty embarrassing pauses of GWB. How would
anyone compare the world's greatest and evillest madman, mass
hypnotist and dramatic performer with his spellbinding rhetoric
with George W. Bush? You've got to be stupid to compare Bush
to Hitler! Stupid!
For those of you who don't understand the
1933 Event time line history, Steiner's birthday is Feb 27 and
like the Bush Administration and the Palme spy affair Karl Rove
sends his henchmen out for revenge, bitter revenge when Ahriman
is crossed... Well Steiner had nailed Ahriman and mounted with
Goethe on Weimar and dug a deep foundation that Goethe had begun
digging... In this foundation he really pissed Ahriman off and
from this pissing off and Steiner's accurate chess move to out
move Ahriman, he gave away the 1933 date of the rise of Christ
in the Etheric...
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERreichstagF.htm
"On 27th February
the Reichstag caught fire. When they police arrived they found
Marinus van der Lubbe on the premises. After being tortured by
the Gestapo he confessed to starting the Reichstag Fire. However
he denies that he was part of a Communist conspiracy. Hermann
Goering refuses to believe him and he orders the arrest of several
leaders of the German Communist Party (KPD). "
You're really on to something here, Bradford.
Something big. Adolf Hitler, whose name sounds strikingly similar
to Rudolf Steiner phonetically, was the vehicle for the opposote
spiritual pole of Christ-Michael. (Ascribing a similar role to
GWB is a gross overestimation to put it mildly.) Notice also
how every geographical location critical to the evolution of
the Christ Impulse has been subjected to permanent strife. Wars
are limited in time, and wounds heal. Prermanent strife, however,
perpetuate the energy of hatred. Bethlehem, Jerusalem, Northern
Ireland (where once lived the monks who were indispensable to
the spread of Christianity in Europe), and Croatia where Rudolf
Steiner was born has also been heqvily targeted. Yes, Ahriman
knows what he is doing; he knows where and when and how.
I am very willing to see how full of holes
some of my theories are.
Now they know how many holes
it takes to fill the Albert Hall
I'd love to turn you on....
Tarjei
http://uncletaz.com/
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From: holderlin66
Date: Thu Jan 8, 2004 10:55 pm
Subject: Stupid is as Stupid does
--- In [email protected],
Tarjei Straume wrote:
When we take into consideration that Bush
has in effect announced the right of the U.S. Empire to invade
any country of its choosing and replace any government it doesn't
like with its own handpicked "Quisling" regime, round
up certain ethnicities and transport all "suspects"
to military bases on Cuba and other obscure locations beyond
the jurisdiction of American and international laws where we
dare not imagine what happens in the cellars of interrogation,
the comparison between Bush and Hitler is understandable. But
when a German politician spits it out, its thoughtless, unimaginative,
politically stupid, and ignorant.
I'll just draw your attention to one significant
detail that shows how dumb the comparison between Hitler and
Bush is: Hitler's oratorial skills, his fantastic and unmatched
talent as a stage performer. Stalin comes close, very close,
and his murderous atrocities match those of Hitler, but they
are less well documented, and for that reason, being compared
to Stalin is less insulting than being compared to Hitler.
Bradford comments;
Well, as Hitler was in the trenches was blown
sky high once and was gassed.. It is like saying, in Nietzsche
Ahriman took pen in hand and in Hitler he crept out of the will,
Will to Power and gave shocked consonants and force impact sounds
new velocity.
For some reason the Ahrimanic Voice force
in Dr. Greiner in Dornach had fully compressed stoss laute which
could shatter metal. Dr. Greiner played Mephisto and Ahriman
on the Goetheanum stage. There is a great deal to understand
between the warm intoned words of Dr. Steiner and the Will impelled
voice of Hitler. It may have been an over compensation for Hitler
was short one gonad, one ball. But besides performance ability
it was a certain kind of crass, imploding like a gernade and
coming up out of the Earth and ripping out of his larynx style
that just wouldn't come off in today's world.
Recently there have been some of the most
vicious articles that I have ever seen in American Press. In
particular recently from the New York Post against Dean.
http://www.loper.org/~george/archives/2004/Jan/973.html
Dean wants to muzzle his Democratic
competitors, too. He believes the Democratic National Committee
should shut them up. His followers try to intimidate other presidential
aspirants by surrounding the cars delivering them to their rallies
and chanting to drown out their speech. Of course, Dean denies
any foreknowledge or blame.
These are the techniques employed
by Hitler's Brownshirts. Had Goebbels enjoyed access to the internet,
he would have used the same swarm tactics as Dean's Flannelshirts.
Bradford suggests;
Something is heating up out in the West -
not pretty - and in line with Ahrimanic Syptomology. I offer
this healthy example, IMO of observations on the current U.S.
situation. However I cannot say if the gentleman or woman who
wrote it, really wrote it and experienced it. It appears to come
from a sound source, but it is worth the read, it is troubling,
and it isn't the first time we have looked down the muzzle of
this particular monster.
http://truthout.org/docs_04/010904A.shtml
"So why, now, when I hear GWB's speeches,
do I think of Hitler? Why have I drawn a parallel between the
Nazis and the present administration? Just one small reason -the
phrase 'Never forget'. Never let this happen again. It is better
to question our government - because it really can happen here
- than to ignore the possibility.
So far, I've seen nothing to eliminate the
possibility that Bush is on the same course as Hitler. And I've
seen far too many analogies to dismiss the possibility. The propaganda.
The lies. The rhetoric. The nationalism. The flag waving. The
pretext of 'preventive war'. The flaunting of international law
and international standards of justice. The disappearances of
'undesirable' aliens. The threats against protesters. The invasion
of a non-threatening sovereign nation. The occupation of a hostile
country. The promises of prosperity and security. The spying
on ordinary citizens. The incitement to spy on one's neighbors
- and report them to the government. The arrogant triumphant
pride in military conquest. The honoring of soldiers. The tributes
to 'fallen warriors. The diversion of money to the military.
The demonization of government appointed 'enemies'. The establishment
of 'Homeland Security'. The dehumanization of 'foreigners'. The
total lack of interest in the victims of government policy. The
incarceration of the poor and mentally ill. The growing prosperity
from military ventures. The illusion of 'goodness' and primacy.
The new einsatzgrupen forces. Assassination teams. Closed extralegal
internment camps. The militarization of domestic police. Media
blackout of non-approved issues. Blacklisting of protesters -
including the no-fly lists and photographing dissenters at rallies.
There isn't much doubt in my mind - anyone
who compares the history of Hitler's rise to power and the progression
of recent events in the US cannot avoid the parallels. It's incontrovertible.
Is Bush another Hitler? Maybe not, but with each incriminating
event, the parallel grows -it certainly cannot be dismissed.
There's too much evidence already. Just as Hitler used American
tactics to plan and execute his reign, it looks as if Karl Rove
is reading Hitler's playbook to plan world domination - and that
is the stated intent of both. From the Reichstag fire to the
landing at Nuremberg to the motto of "Gott Mit Uns"
to the unprovoked invasion and occupation of Iraq to the insistence
that peace was the ultimate goal, the line is unbroken and unwavering."
Healthy
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