To Know God is to Love God
From: holderlin66
Date: Sun Jan 4, 2004 10:09 pm
Subject: To Know God is to Love God
--- In [email protected],
Dottie you raise an interesting question and
my answer is spewed out into space with no direct inference to
you or anyone that resembles you. In otherwords any similarity
between any persons living or dead were not used in the profile
of this description. Also no animals were hurt during the shooting
of these concepts. In other words the deadly serious tone must
have an equal response of uninhibited tongue and cheek.
God - God - God - God.... Ouy Vey
Paddling around in the infinite, does god
feel good when you say god like some nice warm honey going down
your throat? Does saying God, and letting our feelings swim in
the warm tub of our own selfishness, self satisfied, Pat Robertson
soul soup, feel all cozy, warm and fuzzy to ya?
Do you feel protected, safe, because you wish
to only contemplate god? Are the staggering dimensions of Spiritual
Science not sweet enough for our ever over eager sweet tooths?
Is the candy shop to small for you? Do want to be covered in
chocolate from head to foot? Do endorphins like sugar plums dance
in your head? Do you need a bigger car with a bigger engine so
you can get to god faster? Are you jealous and always on the
look out for number one and attempt to commission god to do your
biding for you? Do you keep god on your Short list, on a leash,
close to your wallet or breast pocket?
Oh God, wait I see Him now... I feel him...
He is smoking a cigar, got a gruff voice and constantly says,
Say goodnight Gracie. His initials are the same as our dear beloved
President. I know this being is God because it was the clever
way god does things. God does things just for me you know. I
mean, I can talk to god and god answers and says stuff just for
me, makes stuff happen just for me. Thats what makes me love
George Bush, because he has the same initials as Oh God..
Now pagans and wicca would say, The Gods Must
be Crazy...But you and I know that there is only one god that
came make me feel all cozy and cuddly whenever I speak to him....Isn't
that special?
Since we are on this soupy and silly subject
of What is God, what cologne does he prefer, ode de barbecue
beasty.. Fatted calves cologne, I mean every time you pass a
Burger King, with that charbroiled smell we are smelling the
OT offerings of beasty that god loves to smell over the whole
world. That is why burger palaces have grown so rapidly around
the world. God loves the smell of Bull.
God is my friend, he walks with me and he
talks with me.. wait a minute, how do I know its a he? Who has
filled my soul with such a lie? It can't be a he... I mean just
because I don't see him, doesn't mean I don't know the difference
between authoritative royal He-ness and Patriarchal He-ness and
incompetant She-ness.
Hell anybody can tell you that god can't be
a woman. Women have to pee sitting down Pee Wee. See God is probably
a black guy, I saw that in Bruce Almighty... Dog-through-God
peed standing up and flushed the toilet. I know sometimes god
is called away to other RAelean acid parties in other universes
and he always leaves somebody in charge. Bruce, George, Rumsfeld..all
Hes woman walk around in a daze cuz they got rooked. They got
this body that men stare at and so men fail to see the woman
in the woman so much that the woman become merely dazed chunks
of gods beauty stuck in an endless loop. Never marry a pretty
woman, if you want to be happy for the rest of your life get
some dog to be your wife..
Now women can't be god.. Woman always say,
Oh MY God! especially if they live in Miami. In Miami Oh My God
is the state song. Men sometimes say, "There is a God"
when they see a woman with great breasts and she picks him up
and takes him to her apartment. "There is a God." Somehow
I'm just not getting this answer to shrunk down enough to fit
onto this tiny screen.
All seriousness aside - If, if you have to
whine, moan, complain and call out God and describe how God is
on our side and loves our flag best...try to remember two little
words... YOUR ANGEL!
Not you're an Angel...I mean that the close
proximity of what all of us mortals crave in luck, verification,
fulfillment of temporary desires, or vast Midas wishes is that
God is not hanging on your every damn word. The closest vehicle
within radio contact with god and totally in nurturing service
to the individual is your Angel...Can we please get over ourselves.
Angel -Angel - Angel - as Tarjei has described
to people who refuse to listen, some people who really can't
hear anything,when Tarjei said clearly, " like unto Angels
without Sex. They neither give or are given in marriage"
for they are married to the mission of joy of Angelhood service
which doesn't have time for petty, selfish annoying souls who
whine blur and misunderstand and ignore the wisdom, dimension
and intricacies of the world we live in. The Angel must surely
be the most patient and sorrowfilled being, being so close to
such losers.
Our Angels bear with us at our worst and rejoice
also in our best. They sacredly hover, nurture and guide us to
our incarnations. They bring souls together who are candidates
and potential designated parents. They read the entire karmic
script, the musical score of the twelvefold school of all of
your lifetimes...perhaps 24 or 36 or more of them and if were
7 X 7 or even 72 of them.. their math is the stars and the weaving
uplifting of blossoms and flowers of the meadow. They insure
that you get the right set of dysfunction to match your souls
learning curve. They harvest our capacities and review them with
us at death, they guide us down the tunnel to the Spiritual world
and point out each incident of minor, humble and meaningful mystery
that we thought were nothings. They live in the weaving tapestry
of the maya of events that we call chance but are part of the
active mystery of the weaving of the Angel in human destiny.
They are swifter than light and as targetted as thought and imagination
is to the mind and heart.
Now the list goes on but Angel, Angel training
gets very serious when the actual capacity of the Spirit Self
arises in real experience. Steiner was beyond the Consciousness
Soul and lived primarily out of the Spirit Self. He communicated
through the Consciousness Soul and the Intellect but already
was working on becoming the Free Archangel of the new Michael
Community in service of the archai Michael. In this regard it
is more than helpful, it is mandatory to take things seriously
to reflect on how Thomas Aquinas was considered the Angelic Doctor
or physician.
It would thrill me to no end, if the world
would stop abusing this little three letter word with all their
selfish, self serving, lazy, brainwashed sentimentatlity and
begin to define in earnest who our nearest and dearest allies
really are.
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From: golden3000997
Date: Mon Jan 5, 2004 5:23 am
Subject: Re: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] To Know God is to Love
God
No, no Bradford, it goes like this:
Oh - My - God !
: ) As we say here in Miami!
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From: holderlin66
Date: Wed Jan 7, 2004 9:38 am
Subject: Re: To Know God/and the Celtic World
--- In [email protected],
holderlin66 wrote:
Now the list goes on but Angel, Angel training
gets very serious when the actual capacity of the Spirit Self
arises in real experience. Steiner was beyond the Consciousness
Soul and lived primarily out of the Spirit Self. He communicated
through the Consciousness Soul and the Intellect but already
was working on becoming the Free Archangel of the new Michael
Community in service of the archai Michael.
Bradford comments;
In building up the files and base of wisdom,
dialogue and research into Spiritual Science we come in the wake
of some mighty, mighty contributions. So many souls rise before
our gaze. Owen Barfield is one; Bock; O.M. Aisanov; Steffen;
Vreede; Wegman/Alexander T.G.; Herman Hesse; Inklings; and we
are on the lower rung here as we travel with them on a mighty
journey in our TIME. Our Time needs our contributions.
There was a wonderful book about the English
Spirit probably titled "The English Spirit". Since
I have just moved I don't have it in front of me but I wish to
elaborate a bit on the quote I opened this post with. Pieces
of the book always stuck in my mind. Most of us, on this slender
list are students of Spiritual Science. We live in our era and
we are expressing our thoughts as richly, in our time, as we
can. We are not trying to be Steiner ventriloquists. "The
English Spirit" touched upon several little pieces of a
puzzle.
One aspect of the puzzle was really getting
to know the layer of soul that we term Consiousness Soul or Spiritual
Soul. Naturally we need to develop a vivid picture of what is
and is not rich Consciousness Soul experiences. That is why neon
sign - Joseph Campbell- was handed out so that we all could see
a common experience of the cosmopolitan aspect of a soul who
was nursed on the Eranos esoteric club and continued his work
into every major mythology of the world. This is Consciousness
Soul experience.
Now we can look at the British Empire over
the globe and the tiny island of England, Scotland, Wales etc..and
see that as far as Americans go, not Joel and those on this list,
but as far as the American Imperialistic empire goes..Americans
are much more ignorant of the wide, wide world than how the Brits...as
culture became the model of a Hamlet like Consciousness Soul
experience. Some of this was researched in "The English
Spirit".
http://www.bookfinder.com/dir/i/The_English_Spirit/0854403892/
Knowing what an Angel or Saint truly is in
relation to objective psycho/spiritual growth and maturity of
soul forces is very important. Understanding the ripening of
the True aspects of the Spirit self and learning how to detect
this particular soul level in history or our environment allows
us to measure, and measure with a full human gaze. Such contributions
in soul observation are so important that again, it takes time,
but thinking, penetrating and raising our intelligence into the
Michael School overcomes a great deal of sentimentality and soul
illusion.
Indeed, I have no doubt that Steiner was operating
in Spirit Self condition of soul and as far as Consciousness
Soul conditions, he was far more penetrating than Joseph Campbell
or Jung. But Steiner had arrived at an Angelic vista and learning
experience that put him right up at co-worker status with the
illustrious Christian Rosenkreuz. Now I come back to the English
Spirit.
The Celtic Folk Spirit, the human being, like
Elias for the Hebrews, was an actual personality. We know that
the Lord of the Rings is drawing on rich foundations of the English
Spirit and the Celtic foundations of knowledge. It is a fact.
But it is also a Fact that the Celtic Folk Spirit gave up his
mission to become the Esoteric guiding Spirit of Christianity.
Now this brings us back to this guy Lazarus and Rosenkreuz. It
brings us back in sudden leap and a sleight shock to the system.
We see that certain souls, humans of our own
stature, were on a training mission and were singled out for
their efforts. It is a vast consideration to weigh how the Celtic
Folk Spirit, which evaporated on the basis of the Being who was
the kernel of the Celtic Folk Spirit, allowed himself to take
the deepest drink of the Christ Being that was ever drunk by
any mortal to date. Ya. or Nun Ya!
So now we come to following out the other
aspect of the English Spirit. That the guiding folk spirit of
the Greek Folk took over the Exoteric aspect of Christianity.
Yes, the Greek like the Celt disappeared under the waves of time
and these two individuals began an educational development that
joined the Greek and CEltic folk spirits together. The Celtic
Folk Spirit took over and was Initiated for the job of taking
over Esoteric Christianity. The Greek Folk Spirt was Initiated,
(think Paul) to take over the job of Exoteric Christianity. You
may sense some of this in the infamous Karma III lectures where
Arthurian and Michael and Platonic and Aristotle forces are talked
about.
Now when we talk about the Greens and Ecosystems
of the Earth and Ecology in general, including the Elemental
kingdoms out of biodynamic agriculture and the Celtic Bible or
the "Agricultural Course" by Steiner or "Man as
Symphony" we are talking or writing about the vast insights
of the Earth that are reflected in Merlin and the Celts that
obviously impressed somebody on the Board of the Christ Corporation
for a Spirited Humanity. Ecology, some stupid and some rich,
were really a natural aspect of the Celtic Folk. I could go on
and on about how they put silver and gold in their lakes and
ponds...but I'll spare you.
Lord of the Rings is a mystery and there are
other souls, even like Tolkien who could follow the developmental
path outlined by the Celtic Folk Spirit and find their way to
unfolding deeper and deeper insights into Esoteric Christianity.
"Lord of the Rings" delivers the atmosphere and climate
of soul of the Celtic vision of the world. Indeed we have to
say, that "Lord of the Rings", gives everyone the opportunity
to experience the type of Celtic Soul substance that was the
vast inner Being of He, who became the Folk Spirit for Esoteric
Christianity.
We certainly don't need to crawl on our bellies
and have midget thoughts when you have the mighty research works
of the Michael School. And still, obscure forgotten books and
so much that was given and so little of it even explored that
it remains baffling to me. So when I write about Steiner becoming
something of a leader in his Initiation with the Michael Community,
that alongside Christian Rosenkreuz and the massive flavoring
of the ancient Celt flavoring in "Lord of the Rings"...
we are looking into the great well of 'real history and real
individuals like you and I'.
The Greek folk Spirit offered himself to become
a training ground to gather the Michael Community which will
arise with new group Christ forces in the sixth epoch and by
the failure or success of this mission, a new humanity will begin
to emerge from the soul ripening of those engaged, consciously
or unconsciously with the Michael School. Here I validate which
was written at the top of this post.
When it is indicated that the Greek Folk Spirit
took over the task of Exoteric Christianity as a new [race] (read
redesigned cosmopolitan humanity) based on the inner thread of
the higher I Am ripening toward Spirit Self..we need to understand
the logistics and details out of which such history, bold and
beautiful history of humanity arises.
Grasping the samplings of what and who humanity
are and the various voices of Intellectual or Rational Soul -
Sentient Soul - Consciousness Soul and Spirit Self allows us
to praise where praise is certainly due. It allows what Golden
has rightly called DISCERNMENT. Everything hinges, and the future
redesigned soul conditions of each individual are based on our
individual ability to start to take hold of the richness in our
world and reflect, sharpen the gaze, and hold up those that represent
this stream.
Take for instance the ancient Arthurs, the
office of Arthur's as described by Steiner. Would it not be part
of someone's great work if they gave a vivid picture of the Celtic
Spirit and the Celtic Eco world view, roots of language and linguistics
and in that work? That they prepared their soul to follow in
the footsteps, or even were one of those who had much to do with
further elaborating the lost ancient Celtic culture. For where
did it go? It went, when the Celtic Folk Spirit jumped ship and
joined the Christ Being.
We only know the faulty, but brilliant Wagner.
Richard Wagner was non other than part of the Celtic Merlin School.
There is no doubt that we are looking at two levels of Wagner.
Here we can actually study what Joel indicated. The Lower Ego
of Wagner's earthly personality and the rich wealth stored in
his higher ego in what he connected to in the depths of his being.
A shadow divided these two experiences, yet
we understand that indeed Wagner was a rich but faulty portion
of the mighty Michael School and that can be verified but requires
maturity to see how Sentient Soul and Celtic Initiation choked
itself in the dry world of the Intellect and Darwinian philosophy.
All this can be a clear study. For indeed
Wagner was gapped, divided between what he had as atavistic clarivoyant
experience in the Celtic world and the vast future of what his
Spirit Self was seeking. He could not pass the Intellectual Soul
without confronting Ahrimanic World Damage. He and Neitzsche
did plenty of damage.
Here we can study what we build, as we think
together, we build the new structure of thinking that will be
part of a new human condition. Think, think of the division between
the higher golden mystery of Richad Wagner and that which Ahriman
seized upon.Therefore in our current intellectual climate we
need to penetrate deeper and without atavistic pot holes. Much
of what film presents, including "The Minority Report"
are about enhanced atavistic conditions returning to dominate
humanity.
From the Greek Folk Spirit side we understand
something about Apollonian thinking and Aristotle and IMO we
understand something about Paul, St. Paul as well. But, in order
to do that, we have to bring some dynamic experiences to our
research and feel, as many of us have, how all those mighty stray
lectures and all those participating in Michael Research dropped
the best of their best bread crumbs for us to find.
Our simple and humble task is to follow the
bread crumbs, for as you can see, the world did not end because
Steiner planted the Michael School or the School of AThens, on
the Earth.
So any idea that we need to be stuck repeating
and quoting Steiner in a dead way...and so far, Tarjei and certainly
Tom Mellett and hundreds of others do not do that. But we in
the Michael School who have DISCERNMENT can apply that DISCERNMENT
to the ever rich world we live in right at this moment.
Lively, serious, Ring Bearer Discernment as
in "Lord of the Rings" and the Asuric indicator of
"The Ring" ( a film not about anything to do with Lord
of the Rings, but rather about the infection, the horror that
spreads with absolute determinism, absolute Law, as in the law
of gravity). This horror is the way Karma or word of mouth and
destiny works only destiny and karma contain grace and the working
of freedom because of the Christ. Remove the Christ and we reveal
a law of determinism that are as potent as the old Furies.
Laws of destiny, as to massive advertisement
campaigns and t.v. commercial adds showing the richness of Waldorf
Education, it never happened and it was never encouraged. Why?
Because it really depended on Karma and sometimes the Karma turns
ugly and sometimes it can meet the humanistic intelligence with
rich understanding. Christ is not based on determinism which
certainly would arise under Islamic law.
Determinism - The view that every event has
a cause and that everything in the universe is governed by causal
laws. Since determinists believe that all events, including human
actions, are predetermined, determinism is thought by "libertarians"
and "hard determinists" to be incompatible with free
will. Hard determinists deny there is free will on the grounds
that everything is causally determined. Libertarians deny that
everything is causally determined on the grounds that there is
free will). So-called "soft determinists" follow Hume
in holding determinism and free will (rightly understood) are
compatible: free acts are not uncaused on compatibilist conceptions
of freedom, they're just caused in the right way, by the agents
beliefs and desires
"The Ring" depicts an unbreakable
chain of Fate-Law-Karma that is the opposite of Grace and Freedom.
The world arising of genetic determinism or a world, existing
in millions of soul, that lives in a false understanding of what
the Christ brought to Earth. Amazing Grace.
Determinism is the Dark side of an unbending
law of the Furies that will not stop, but has surfaced as an
anti-effect of Grace and Freedom. The Borg was such an Imagination
but the Borg is a later, I mean, in imagined time, a later point,
but this inevitable nightmare arises from a little girl, who
is exactly like a full incarnation of a black hole, where from
this tiny little girl, the entire Earth evolution could grind
to a halt.
We live, in our Time, with the thought atmosphere
and thinking CLIMATE that allows us to see fluid interpretations
of Imaginations and it must be stated that no Imagination a human
being can come up with is outside the spectrum of the Beings
that share our world. It is really a matter of testing the tools
of Spiritual Science, the most advanced Science Research ever
presented to humanity, against reality and learning to navigate
our TIME.
Bradford
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