John = Lazarus = Jeshu ben Pandira
From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 7:38 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: John = Lazarus = Jeshu
ben Pandira
Hi Dottie,
I propose that Lazarus is one of the incarnations of the Maitrea
Bodhisattva, which were incarnated 105 year before, as jeshu
ben Pandira, preparing the road for Christ.
The way John the Baptist enters Lazarus, is the same as when
Elijah, Moses and other 'Son´s of God' enters the Bodhisatva:
It is also disclosed that he who will appear
three thousand years after our era as the Maitreya Buddha will
have incarnated again and again on the Earth as a Bodhisattva,
as the successor of Gautama Buddha. One of his incarnations was
that of Jeshu ben Pandira, who lived a hundred years before the
Christian era. The being who incarnated in Jeshu ben Pandira
is he who will one day become the Maitreya Buddha, and who from
century to century returns ever and again in a body of flesh,
not yet as Buddha, but as Bodhisattva. Even now there proceeds
from him who later on will be the Maitreya Buddha, the most significant
teachings concerning the Christ Being and the Sons of Fire —
the Agnishvattas — of Indian Mysticism. http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/EthBld_index.html
It is also necessary for us to know that one
of the characteristics of the incarnations of the Bodhisattva
is that in his youth he cannot be recognised as such. Between
his thirtieth and thirty-third years a great revolution takes
place in the soul and the personality is fundamentally transformed.
For example, a Moses-, Elijah-, or Abraham-Individuality
can take possession of the personality of a Bodhisattva at this
time of his life.
The Bodhisattva is incarnated every 100 years
(RS: Jeshu Ben Pandira, two lectures in Leipzig november the
4 and 5'th 1911).
And http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/MissRose/19111118p01.html
This being is the later incarnated as Cristian
Rosencreutz, which gives meaning.
Sincerely,
Kim
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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:02 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: John = Lazarus = Jeshu
ben Pandira
Kim wrote:
I propose that Lazarus is one of the incarnations
of the Maitrea Bodhisattva, which were incarnated 105 year before,
as jeshu ben Pandira, preparing the road for Christ.
Hi Kim,
Physical male Lazarus?
Kim:
The way John the Baptist enters Lazarus,
is the same as when Elijah, Moses and other 'Son´s of God'
enters the Bodhisatva:
Dottie
Do you mean through incarnation? If so Lazarus(to
make it simple) was a new one so how do you propose this happens
in the same way?
Kim:
It is also disclosed that he who will appear
three thousand years after our era as the Maitreya Buddha will
have incarnated again and again on the Earth as a Bodhisattva,
as the successor of Gautama Buddha.
Dottie
Kim, if you have to sense into who this will
be does it really feel like a male (giving) energy?
The only two people(physical incarnations
early Christianity) that I can sense very readily are Christ
and Magdalene. It seems that they live within this sphere in
a sense. They are readily accessible to those who seek them with
all t heir heart minds and soul. And if I follow it through I
come to an all embracing grace which I percieve as past both
of them or rather more than just the two.
Kim:
One of his incarnations was that of Jeshu
ben Pandira, who lived a hundred years before the Christian era.
The being who incarnated in Jeshu ben Pandira is he who will
one day become the Maitreya Buddha, and who from century to century
returns ever and again in a body of flesh, not yet as Buddha,
but as Bodhisattva. Even now there proceeds from him who later
on will be the Maitreya Buddha, the most significant teachings
concerning the Christ Being and the Sons of Fire — the Agnishvattas
— of Indian Mysticism. http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/EthBld_index.html
Dottie
But why do you consider it to be a human male?
And why if we have said earlier that Magdalene is in this Lodge
of Buddhas does she not incarnate as is being said of this Jeshu
ben Pandira? Why is it he that keeps incarnating and the other
Buddhas do not? The reason I ask is because one always goes to
the male. Now I do not mind if that happens to be true but I
would like to know what is the logic behind this kind of thinking?
Now, if Magdalene is indeed in the Lodge we
would have to know why is it so? Is it enough that she lived
one great life and ends up a Buddha? That can't be true unless
she came down in a similar manner as Christ and once was enough:)
Kim:
The Bodhisattva is incarnated every 100
years (RS: Jeshu Ben Pandira, two lectures in Leipzig november
the 4 and 5'th 1911).
And http://wn.elib.com/Steiner/Lectures/MissRose/19111118p01.html
This being is the later incarnated as Cristian
Rosencreutz, which gives meaning.
Dear Kim,
Why do you suppose it is always seen as a
male physical being that accomplishes this? What is it that precludes
even the thought that it could be a feminine energy. Not that
it matters much other than not wanting to not be thrown by a
red herring.
In what I wrote of this John understanding
in this post does that seem right to how Steiner students overall
explain who wrote the Gospel of John? If so which JOhn do you
suppose is in all the paintings?
Sincerely,
Dottie
p.s. Thanks for the links. When I get back
to Hollywood I will check them out.
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From: dottie zold
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 8:29 am
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: John = Lazarus = Jeshu
ben Pandira
Dear Kim,
Is Jeshu in incarnation now supposedly do
you know? The reason I ask is because it was mentioned one time
that a Dr. Joshua Stone was considered to be a possible incarnation.
He has many books, none of which I have read, and holds a very
large gathering every year in Mount Shasta.
I went to this celebration last year and I
was not real impressed but really like the people. Joshua seemed
kind of weakkneed in a sense but kind.
On the first day I was contemplating whether
or not he was a white or black magician in his own mind. I am
a real skeptic and I have to figure out first what is going on
before I will allow my self to enter into communion of sorts.
In contemplating this I went outside to get my friends blanket
from the car as I had decided not to participate in the Joshua
speaking parts. On my way out to the car I saw, in the clouds,
Jesus giving mass/manna/bread to Joshua. And in this moment I
thought 'okay dottie there is your confirmation, let the man
be and worry yourself no more'. And I did not.
Anyway a little story of this man who I have
heard here or there that he was a possible incarnation. Is Jeshu
incarnate now or is his time coming up?:)
Sincerely,
Dottie
p.s. I know I keep bringing it back to Magdalene
as in the last post. I do not mean to be obstinate. It's just
I need to be really really clear inwardly about who is who in
order to move forward.
In your heading John = Lazarus = Jeshu ben
Pandira there has to be a feminine energy. Which one is it? :)
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From: Kim Munch Michelsen
Date: Tue Jan 20, 2004 1:20 pm
Subject: RE: [anthroposophy_tomorrow] Re: John = Lazarus = Jeshu
ben Pandira
Dear Dottie
One of the problems with the Bodhisattvas is that they are not
publishing what they are, but many groups love to call their
leaders for bodhisattvas, and a few also that they are in a Buddha
incarnation.
The Bodhisattva is a being which is from a previous period (before
Earth) and who only need one full incarnation, to become Buddha
and leave this earth. Until that time they have many partly incarnations,
and only one Bodhisattva is incarnating on the earth. The Maitrea
began incarnating after Gautama Buddha.
I don't know if they switch sex between incarnations or not.
Magdalene is one who have lived much (the 7 devils) and loved
much. It don't sound like a bodhisattva, it more sounds like
one of the highest developed humans of the Earth cycle.
The Devine Sophia has the Wisdom of the spiritual world, where
Magdalene has the spiritual Wisdom of the physical world, which
is the way to the Devine Sophia.
I have come much nearer The Devine Sophia. Up until Golgatha
Sophia was the World Builder, the Angel in the Holy Spirit, and
The Great Sun spirit Manu. Below Sophia is the Bodhisattvas.
And Sophia was the teacher of them.
I have not yet come nearer Magdalene, but I will, eventually.
She is, in many ways, the most interesting. I like especially:
Has loved much, ie. has lived much.
If Lazarus was the Bodhisattva, then he was not John the diciple,
because all the diciples were humans of the earth cycle.
Sincerely,
Kim
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From: dottie zold
Date: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:27 am
Subject: Re: John = Lazarus = Jeshu ben Pandira
Dear Kim,
In looking for Yesod and Manu I came across
a very interesting page called www.sephardicsages.org/mjh-2.html
.
In looking at this page I came to the thought
of the Bethany family. I am wondering if it is considered that
they were Jews? Do you consider them a Jewish family or of the
Gentiles?
Also, a very interesting thing comes up about
the exact year the Nazorenes (Jesus) death. It seems they have
him as Jeshua ben Pandiras disciple. They have a different spelling
but I think they are speaking of Pandira.
I am writing this because this is the first
reference outside of todays comments by others of this enlightened
Pandira. Do we know or has Steiner commented on who was the great
spirit that guided Pandira? Maybe you have written on it and
it has escaped me.
In reading Revelations by Dr. Steiner for
the first time I am struck how he calls the writer John. He does
not call him Lazarus/John. As far as I can tell its not even
intimated here at all. This is leading me someplace that is still
interconnected with Magdalene but more as the Baptist than any
other thought.
When it is four thirty here in California
I am wondering what time it is where you are?
Peace be the day,
d
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